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> average voters either don't care What were you saying about 'wishful thinking?' A presidential candidate under FBI investigation on election day is huge.

mzw_mzw 10y ago
I agree, it is! But that still doesn't mean people (or, at least, swing voters) actually care.
- ls66 10y ago
  Her campaign staff certainly cared about this issue.
  - mzw_mzw 10y ago
    It's their job to care about this issue.
- ethanbond 10y ago
  Swing voters are exactly who would care, as they should. Edit: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hillary-clintons-botched-handing-of-her-email-server-is-why-this-race-is-even-close/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hi...
- michaelmrose 10y ago
  Voting for trump has got to be more loathsome to most that putting up with Clinton's shenanigans.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    It seems few people are actually voting for Clinton, but rather voting against Trump. What is something like this leaves such a bad taste in their mouth that they decide to not vote at all?
    - ethanbond 10y ago
      This is definitely the risk. Especially with so many Dems saying "no one cares." People do care; the way for leftists (like myself) to show that they care is by simply abstaining or going third party which would obviously cripple her.
    - Armisael16 10y ago
      Your gut's wrong on this one: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-just-voting-against-trump/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-jus... Most Clinton voters are voting for her, not against Trump.
      - cmdrfred 10y ago
        A single phone poll of "a random national sample of 874 likely voters" (1 in every 350 thousand) does not a fact make in a nation of 300 million people. Sample size is just too small. Such a study would have to be repeated with a larger sample.
        Armisael16 10y ago
        56% ± 3.3% at 95% confidence isn't good enough for you?
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        They are pulling the confidence level out of their asses. The Clinton campaign has been playing with the polling since the start of this campaign. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 If this is real, it can be duplicated.
        Armisael16 10y ago
        ...that confidence level isn't from the campaign. That's just how confidence is calculated. The z score for 95% confidence is 1.96, so the range is: 1.96sqrt(0.56*(1-0.56)/871) ~ 3.3%
  - kreneskyp 10y ago
    Back that assertion up with polling data. The polls I've seen show the opposite. edit: referring to the claim that Clinton voters aren't voting for clinton
drawnwren 10y ago
I haven't seen any numbers that indicate the nation cares either way on this. Here's some analysis of Hilary getting slight gains after the announcement that FBI wouldn't prosecute.[1] Is your comment based on polling or just gut feeling? [1] http://www.inquisitr.com/3287325/hillary-clinton-polls-did-fbi-email-ruling-affect-her-numbers-vs-donald-trump-results-may-be-surprising/ http://www.inquisitr.com/3287325/hillary-clinton-polls-did-f...
- ethanbond 10y ago
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hillary-clintons-botched-handing-of-her-email-server-is-why-this-race-is-even-close/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hi...
  - drawnwren 10y ago
    This generally seems like a poor signal. People are very bad at reporting what affects their voting decision and a little better at reporting how they will vote. I would be much more apt to believe this was an important factor if we see a shift in the tracking polls or a significant shift in another.
    - ethanbond 10y ago
      > I haven't seen any numbers that indicate the nation cares either way on this Regardless of if it will affect their vote (some it will, some it won't), people absolutely do care.
      - drawnwren 10y ago
        You're right. People do have feelings about this. I didn't mean to discuss feelings. I meant to use the word care to mean more specifically that this is not a deciding factor in a significant number of votes. Which is the only context that matters to me.
pjc50 10y ago
Both the candidates are under investigation. http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/ http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/ I'm inclined to agree that it's not going to make much difference; how people vote is more determined by their social group loyalties, especially when things are as fraught as they are already.
- swissoak 10y ago
  One is under criminal investigation by the FBI for actions that are blatantly illegal and we have concrete evidence of occurring. She got off the first time without charges due to a bullshit reason from the FBI ("no reasonable prosecutor would take this up"). One has received a civil lawsuit which means absolutely nothing and is based entirely on he-said-she-said allegations. There is no investigation. I could go file a lawsuit today against you for sexual harassment. It means literally nothing other than I paid an attorney money to go file a piece of paper.

mzw_mzw 10y ago

I agree, it is! But that still doesn't mean people (or, at least, swing voters) actually care.

ls66 10y ago
Her campaign staff certainly cared about this issue.
- mzw_mzw 10y ago
  It's their job to care about this issue.
ethanbond 10y ago
Swing voters are exactly who would care, as they should. Edit: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hillary-clintons-botched-handing-of-her-email-server-is-why-this-race-is-even-close/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hi...
michaelmrose 10y ago
Voting for trump has got to be more loathsome to most that putting up with Clinton's shenanigans.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  It seems few people are actually voting for Clinton, but rather voting against Trump. What is something like this leaves such a bad taste in their mouth that they decide to not vote at all?
  - ethanbond 10y ago
    This is definitely the risk. Especially with so many Dems saying "no one cares." People do care; the way for leftists (like myself) to show that they care is by simply abstaining or going third party which would obviously cripple her.
  - Armisael16 10y ago
    Your gut's wrong on this one: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-just-voting-against-trump/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-jus... Most Clinton voters are voting for her, not against Trump.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      A single phone poll of "a random national sample of 874 likely voters" (1 in every 350 thousand) does not a fact make in a nation of 300 million people. Sample size is just too small. Such a study would have to be repeated with a larger sample.
      - Armisael16 10y ago
        56% ± 3.3% at 95% confidence isn't good enough for you?
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        They are pulling the confidence level out of their asses. The Clinton campaign has been playing with the polling since the start of this campaign. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 If this is real, it can be duplicated.
        Armisael16 10y ago
        ...that confidence level isn't from the campaign. That's just how confidence is calculated. The z score for 95% confidence is 1.96, so the range is: 1.96sqrt(0.56*(1-0.56)/871) ~ 3.3%
- kreneskyp 10y ago
  Back that assertion up with polling data. The polls I've seen show the opposite. edit: referring to the claim that Clinton voters aren't voting for clinton

drawnwren 10y ago

I haven't seen any numbers that indicate the nation cares either way on this. Here's some analysis of Hilary getting slight gains after the announcement that FBI wouldn't prosecute.[1] Is your comment based on polling or just gut feeling? [1] http://www.inquisitr.com/3287325/hillary-clinton-polls-did-fbi-email-ruling-affect-her-numbers-vs-donald-trump-results-may-be-surprising/ http://www.inquisitr.com/3287325/hillary-clinton-polls-did-f...

ethanbond 10y ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hillary-clintons-botched-handing-of-her-email-server-is-why-this-race-is-even-close/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hi...
- drawnwren 10y ago
  This generally seems like a poor signal. People are very bad at reporting what affects their voting decision and a little better at reporting how they will vote. I would be much more apt to believe this was an important factor if we see a shift in the tracking polls or a significant shift in another.
  - ethanbond 10y ago
    > I haven't seen any numbers that indicate the nation cares either way on this Regardless of if it will affect their vote (some it will, some it won't), people absolutely do care.
    - drawnwren 10y ago
      You're right. People do have feelings about this. I didn't mean to discuss feelings. I meant to use the word care to mean more specifically that this is not a deciding factor in a significant number of votes. Which is the only context that matters to me.

pjc50 10y ago

Both the candidates are under investigation. http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/ http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/ I'm inclined to agree that it's not going to make much difference; how people vote is more determined by their social group loyalties, especially when things are as fraught as they are already.

swissoak 10y ago
One is under criminal investigation by the FBI for actions that are blatantly illegal and we have concrete evidence of occurring. She got off the first time without charges due to a bullshit reason from the FBI ("no reasonable prosecutor would take this up"). One has received a civil lawsuit which means absolutely nothing and is based entirely on he-said-she-said allegations. There is no investigation. I could go file a lawsuit today against you for sexual harassment. It means literally nothing other than I paid an attorney money to go file a piece of paper.