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Esc is, by and large a useless key I'm not a Mac User, but I use THE ESC key extensively to cancel out of dialogs.

major505 10y ago
Also... the F1 keys are like super important for debugging. Sure, you can click with the damn mouse in the button for step in, over, run, etc, but the thing is faster with F keys. Even if mac apps come mapped to other keys, many peaplo still runs windows with bootcamp, virtual box etc and wine programs in apple computers, making things even harder. And about external keyboards? Apple keyboards comes with F keys... they are going to be uselles now?
- st3v3r 10y ago
  The F1 keys are not important for debugging. When I'm debugging, I'm not concerned with what's faster. So I use the icons and the mouse.
  - polyfractal 10y ago
    This is really just a war of opinions now, but the F1 keys are indispensable to me. My fingers rest on the hotkeys for "step into", "step over", "run to breakpoint" and I can keep my eyes glued to the watch list, inspecting the variables at each step. Some times you want to quickly step into functions, other times step over, and it's just really handy to have it mapped to keys. I'm not even a power emacs user or something (IntelliJ is my preferred IDE). YMMV of course, but I find the hotkeys super useful.
    - accatyyc 10y ago
      But what if your IDE simply adds the debugger buttons to the touch strip instead? They could even have the correct icons and update state as you debug. Seems even better to me.
      - azinman2 10y ago
        And/or other keyboard shortcuts. This is not some immutable situation. I don't know why everyone is unnecessarily freaking out over this non-issue that has so many alternative solutions, some of which will be superior.
        Caprinicus 10y ago
        It's really odd when people say "I need one function key for some application specific operation", when those kinds of things are pretty much exactly what an adaptable, customizable touch row is perfect for. If apple could have read the touch bar complaints before, they probably would have been convinced to put a touch bar in earlier.
      - albertgao 10y ago
        Aha, so you prefer the way that your sight just go back and forth between screen and touch bar.....?
        st3v3r 10y ago
        If i'm using the F keys, it already is.
      - mladen5 10y ago
        Main point for touch strip is changing icons/state. But that's absurd because not even my mother blind types. This is clearly another fancy thing that removes functionality.
        legulere 10y ago
        Nobody types function keys blindly however
        cyberhck 10y ago
        I have a blank keyboard, I never look at it, when I use for debugging I'm extremely fast as I don't have to look back and forth on keyboard and screen or use mouse (who uses mouse that much anyway?), I'd miss F keys if I bought the new macbook pro.
Ph0X 10y ago
I hear all this talk about no more ESC key, but couldn't they potentially just put one up there on the bar, albeit not a real clickable key?
- JasonSage 10y ago
  There will be one, they've shown it in some of the promotional imagery. I think everybody is just up in arms about the physical key being gone. I'm a heavy vim user and use the ESC key all the time. If I get the new MacBook Pro I'll probably see how the touch key works, and then rebind if it's necessary. It's not the end of the world.
lambda 10y ago
Command-period on macOS.
adiabatty 10y ago
I'd expect that if a dialog is focused, the Esc key will be there.

Also... the F1 keys are like super important for debugging. Sure, you can click with the damn mouse in the button for step in, over, run, etc, but the thing is faster with F keys. Even if mac apps come mapped to other keys, many peaplo still runs windows with bootcamp, virtual box etc and wine programs in apple computers, making things even harder. And about external keyboards? Apple keyboards comes with F keys... they are going to be uselles now?

st3v3r 10y ago
The F1 keys are not important for debugging. When I'm debugging, I'm not concerned with what's faster. So I use the icons and the mouse.
- polyfractal 10y ago
  This is really just a war of opinions now, but the F1 keys are indispensable to me. My fingers rest on the hotkeys for "step into", "step over", "run to breakpoint" and I can keep my eyes glued to the watch list, inspecting the variables at each step. Some times you want to quickly step into functions, other times step over, and it's just really handy to have it mapped to keys. I'm not even a power emacs user or something (IntelliJ is my preferred IDE). YMMV of course, but I find the hotkeys super useful.
  - accatyyc 10y ago
    But what if your IDE simply adds the debugger buttons to the touch strip instead? They could even have the correct icons and update state as you debug. Seems even better to me.
    - azinman2 10y ago
      And/or other keyboard shortcuts. This is not some immutable situation. I don't know why everyone is unnecessarily freaking out over this non-issue that has so many alternative solutions, some of which will be superior.
      - Caprinicus 10y ago
        It's really odd when people say "I need one function key for some application specific operation", when those kinds of things are pretty much exactly what an adaptable, customizable touch row is perfect for. If apple could have read the touch bar complaints before, they probably would have been convinced to put a touch bar in earlier.
    - albertgao 10y ago
      Aha, so you prefer the way that your sight just go back and forth between screen and touch bar.....?
      - st3v3r 10y ago
        If i'm using the F keys, it already is.
    - mladen5 10y ago
      Main point for touch strip is changing icons/state. But that's absurd because not even my mother blind types. This is clearly another fancy thing that removes functionality.
      - legulere 10y ago
        Nobody types function keys blindly however
        cyberhck 10y ago
        I have a blank keyboard, I never look at it, when I use for debugging I'm extremely fast as I don't have to look back and forth on keyboard and screen or use mouse (who uses mouse that much anyway?), I'd miss F keys if I bought the new macbook pro.

Ph0X 10y ago

I hear all this talk about no more ESC key, but couldn't they potentially just put one up there on the bar, albeit not a real clickable key?

JasonSage 10y ago
There will be one, they've shown it in some of the promotional imagery. I think everybody is just up in arms about the physical key being gone. I'm a heavy vim user and use the ESC key all the time. If I get the new MacBook Pro I'll probably see how the touch key works, and then rebind if it's necessary. It's not the end of the world.

lambda 10y ago

Command-period on macOS.

adiabatty 10y ago

I'd expect that if a dialog is focused, the Esc key will be there.