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No 32gb? Is this true? Someone please tell me that's not true. I was (against all odds), hoping for 64! If this is true, consider me disgusted. I had 16GB in m

No 32gb? Is this true? Someone please tell me that's not true. I was (against all odds), hoping for 64! If this is true, consider me disgusted. I had 16GB in my (long lost, loved) 17-inch Macbook Pro, in 2009! I really cannot fathom what this company is thinking. I'm bewildered, disappointed, angry, in equal measure. I've been waiting for a killer Macbook Pro for literally 18 months! Sorry. I'm going Lenovo/Dell or why not, Surface Studio. For the first time in 20 years. I'm going Windows. I will not support a company which insults me with this. If this is Jony Ive's work, if they are so self-confident in their "design" that they cannot put a decent hardware spec together, then these people need to be retired. Or maybe I just haven't cottoned on? They just don't care about high end users? Or are they completely out of touch? I don't understand.

gommm 10y ago
Yep that's the one thing that pisses me off to no end.
- vegabook 10y ago
  I just don't understand. The chips have been available for 12 months. It's almost like they're doing it on purpose.
  - yuhong 10y ago
    Hence why I mention that they are still using LPDDR3, which they even left out of the keynote. The major alternative would be using DDR4 I think.
    - vegabook 10y ago
      It's basically an insult.
ghshephard 10y ago
Given that 99% of users don't require more than 8GB in a MacLaptop, it's hard to justify increasing the maximum ram beyond 16 GB for that fraction of 1% of users who do. Not impossible, mind you - because there is always value in chasing after the 1%, but to some degree, Apple's efficiency at running their operating system and applications on small memory footprints makes it less valuable to increase their maximum ram footprint.
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- jimbokun 10y ago
  That 1%, though, are 1. probably more likely to be in Apple's target demographic, 2. buy the machines with the highest margins.
- cowardlydragon 10y ago
  That is PC thinking. Macbook PROs are for PROfessionals. Multiple VMs. Big fast SSDs. Many cores. Better displays.
  - sangnoir 10y ago
    > Macbook PROs are for PROfessionals Haha, not anymore. For some time now, the PRO in Apple products is for PROsumers, or its possibly just a meaningless vestigial acronym now. See also: Final Cut X "Pro" which was obviously not targeted at professionals.
- vhost- 10y ago
  Where does 99% come from? My girlfriend is a nursing student, not a programmer and has 8 gigs of ram on her laptop. She's constantly asking me to look at her laptop when it beachballs and slows to a crawl when she's doing homework and her memory is maxed. She only has chrome, Word, Excel and some online courses open. I don't buy that figure one bit.
  - SysArchitect 10y ago
    Replace Chrome with Safari. Unfortunately Chrome is absolutely terrible not just for power usage but also for RAM usage. For some reason Chrome loves memory, it gobbles it up. Safari is much better about it. I switched from Chrome back to Safari recently and while it took some time adjusting, I have been seeing almost 2 - 3 hours longer battery life, and I have had way less issues with "beachballing".
    - 10y ago
Kequc 10y ago
My instinct is that they are going to flood the early adopters market with low RAM laptops. Then silently introduce upgrade options something like a few months down the line. This serves the dual benefit of being able to pump them out faster and giving people a reason to buy more of them. It just seems like something Apple would do.
- j45 10y ago
  This is another great reason for serious power users to never buy the first generation of Apple equipment. Historically a quick refresh comes out, and it sometimes takes two gens to get it right. Glad right now I timed my last Macbook pro purchase to have a year of applecare left on it, and it could easily last me another 2 years thanks to being maxed out when I bought it. Apple is a company looking to maximize it profit as well as build good products. A lot of laptop manufacturers are starting to catch up on the hardware side (the new Zenbook).. it's just the MacOS experience that someone has left to create an equivalent to.
  - toyg 10y ago
    "Starting"? Competitors have caught up. The current Dell XPS 15'' blows the just announced MBP out of the water: same cpu, 32gb ram, equivalent GPU, more ports (including TB3), similar weight and dimensions -- at 50% of the price! The Razer Blade is "only" 20% cheaper, but has a smoking GPU. The HP ZBook Ultrabook is again 20% cheaper, 32gb, etc etc etc. Apple dropped the ball, big time. I'll ride out my 2012 MBPr (which still works great), but at these conditions, my next laptop will not be from Cupertino.
    - j45 10y ago
      Have used windows primary for 15 years, and mac for the last 10.. I've seen the new windows laptops walk right past apple past few months, my rMBP is about 2 years old so I'm not feeling the pinch so much in buying outdated equipment... Even the new Lenovo T460p's are sliding by. Asus Zenbook is slick too. I am more of a 13" guy, although i've used the 15" MBP and windows laptop at one time. I'm hoping by the time my applecare is up they will throw a massive parade for doing the obvious hardware upgrades. One possible reason they haven't is getting performance and heat managed in the new slim form factor. Had a few macbooks that ran hot in the past, so I hope it's just that and not much else. It sucked having 15" macbook pros that had faulty video cards due to poor heat management and died prematurely.
vacri 10y ago
MacBook Pros have stopped being for Professionals, and started being for Wealthy Consumers. Perhaps they should be called MacBook WCs?
- wyclif 10y ago
  Or for people who work for tech companies. I myself have never purchased a MBP. Every single one I've had was a company expense.
benhardy 10y ago
You're god damn right it's insulting. Same boat as you. It's really annoying. I'm trying to work here. It's not like software's getting any less bloated.
- x0x0 10y ago
  And a big price rise too. Now that ssds in macbooks are not user replaceable -- you have to buy as much disk as you want for 3 years all up front -- it's nearly $3k for the cheapest 15 inch macbook not even including applecare for 3 years. Ouch.
  - cmsj 10y ago
    The SSDs are replaceable.
wyclif 10y ago
You'll go Lenovo/Dell until you have to use their trackpads for any amount of time. I know; my wife has one. My 5-year old son can tell there's no comparison between a Lenovo trackpad and the Apple version.
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- sooheon 10y ago
  Amongst all the terrible touch bar nonsense, I was at least relieved that the trackpad size was doubled. It really is the killer feature of MacBooks.

gommm 10y ago

Yep that's the one thing that pisses me off to no end.

vegabook 10y ago
I just don't understand. The chips have been available for 12 months. It's almost like they're doing it on purpose.
- yuhong 10y ago
  Hence why I mention that they are still using LPDDR3, which they even left out of the keynote. The major alternative would be using DDR4 I think.
  - vegabook 10y ago
    It's basically an insult.

ghshephard 10y ago

Given that 99% of users don't require more than 8GB in a MacLaptop, it's hard to justify increasing the maximum ram beyond 16 GB for that fraction of 1% of users who do. Not impossible, mind you - because there is always value in chasing after the 1%, but to some degree, Apple's efficiency at running their operating system and applications on small memory footprints makes it less valuable to increase their maximum ram footprint.

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jimbokun 10y ago
That 1%, though, are 1. probably more likely to be in Apple's target demographic, 2. buy the machines with the highest margins.
cowardlydragon 10y ago
That is PC thinking. Macbook PROs are for PROfessionals. Multiple VMs. Big fast SSDs. Many cores. Better displays.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  > Macbook PROs are for PROfessionals Haha, not anymore. For some time now, the PRO in Apple products is for PROsumers, or its possibly just a meaningless vestigial acronym now. See also: Final Cut X "Pro" which was obviously not targeted at professionals.
vhost- 10y ago
Where does 99% come from? My girlfriend is a nursing student, not a programmer and has 8 gigs of ram on her laptop. She's constantly asking me to look at her laptop when it beachballs and slows to a crawl when she's doing homework and her memory is maxed. She only has chrome, Word, Excel and some online courses open. I don't buy that figure one bit.
- SysArchitect 10y ago
  Replace Chrome with Safari. Unfortunately Chrome is absolutely terrible not just for power usage but also for RAM usage. For some reason Chrome loves memory, it gobbles it up. Safari is much better about it. I switched from Chrome back to Safari recently and while it took some time adjusting, I have been seeing almost 2 - 3 hours longer battery life, and I have had way less issues with "beachballing".
  - 10y ago

Kequc 10y ago

My instinct is that they are going to flood the early adopters market with low RAM laptops. Then silently introduce upgrade options something like a few months down the line. This serves the dual benefit of being able to pump them out faster and giving people a reason to buy more of them. It just seems like something Apple would do.

j45 10y ago
This is another great reason for serious power users to never buy the first generation of Apple equipment. Historically a quick refresh comes out, and it sometimes takes two gens to get it right. Glad right now I timed my last Macbook pro purchase to have a year of applecare left on it, and it could easily last me another 2 years thanks to being maxed out when I bought it. Apple is a company looking to maximize it profit as well as build good products. A lot of laptop manufacturers are starting to catch up on the hardware side (the new Zenbook).. it's just the MacOS experience that someone has left to create an equivalent to.
- toyg 10y ago
  "Starting"? Competitors have caught up. The current Dell XPS 15'' blows the just announced MBP out of the water: same cpu, 32gb ram, equivalent GPU, more ports (including TB3), similar weight and dimensions -- at 50% of the price! The Razer Blade is "only" 20% cheaper, but has a smoking GPU. The HP ZBook Ultrabook is again 20% cheaper, 32gb, etc etc etc. Apple dropped the ball, big time. I'll ride out my 2012 MBPr (which still works great), but at these conditions, my next laptop will not be from Cupertino.
  - j45 10y ago
    Have used windows primary for 15 years, and mac for the last 10.. I've seen the new windows laptops walk right past apple past few months, my rMBP is about 2 years old so I'm not feeling the pinch so much in buying outdated equipment... Even the new Lenovo T460p's are sliding by. Asus Zenbook is slick too. I am more of a 13" guy, although i've used the 15" MBP and windows laptop at one time. I'm hoping by the time my applecare is up they will throw a massive parade for doing the obvious hardware upgrades. One possible reason they haven't is getting performance and heat managed in the new slim form factor. Had a few macbooks that ran hot in the past, so I hope it's just that and not much else. It sucked having 15" macbook pros that had faulty video cards due to poor heat management and died prematurely.

vacri 10y ago

MacBook Pros have stopped being for Professionals, and started being for Wealthy Consumers. Perhaps they should be called MacBook WCs?

wyclif 10y ago
Or for people who work for tech companies. I myself have never purchased a MBP. Every single one I've had was a company expense.

benhardy 10y ago

You're god damn right it's insulting. Same boat as you. It's really annoying. I'm trying to work here. It's not like software's getting any less bloated.

x0x0 10y ago
And a big price rise too. Now that ssds in macbooks are not user replaceable -- you have to buy as much disk as you want for 3 years all up front -- it's nearly $3k for the cheapest 15 inch macbook not even including applecare for 3 years. Ouch.
- cmsj 10y ago
  The SSDs are replaceable.

wyclif 10y ago

You'll go Lenovo/Dell until you have to use their trackpads for any amount of time. I know; my wife has one. My 5-year old son can tell there's no comparison between a Lenovo trackpad and the Apple version.

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sooheon 10y ago
Amongst all the terrible touch bar nonsense, I was at least relieved that the trackpad size was doubled. It really is the killer feature of MacBooks.