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Org-Mode is the one thing that makes me want to move from vim to emacs.. but I just don't feel like investing the time in getting proficient with emacs at this

Org-Mode is the one thing that makes me want to move from vim to emacs.. but I just don't feel like investing the time in getting proficient with emacs at this stage.

diegoprzl 10y ago
You can try Emacs with evil (extensible vi layer). It's still a major time investment though.
- llamaz 10y ago
  Only because it's hard to learn to configure emacs. With spacemacs, it's less of a problem, since things work sanely out of the box.
  - jxy 10y ago
    With spacemacs, …, things work _insanely_ out of the box Honestly, you don't need any extra stuff, other than `evil' if you want vim bindings. (`Viper' works fine if you grok vi.)
dangom 10y ago
The transition couldn't be easier with Spacemacs: http://spacemacs.org/ http://spacemacs.org/ https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs
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nextos 10y ago
It's not as difficult as it seems. Actually I'd say that if you already know GNU Readline shortcuts (which are very helpful on e.g. Bash), it's an afternoon of work to learn the basics. The problem is that most tutorials depict emacs as a bag of keyboard shortcuts. But in reality, there are some simple principles that are quite understandable. And org-mode is so underappreciated. You can turn it into anything. I use it as a wiki and a kanban board. And it's amazing.
- palunon 10y ago
  >The problem is that most tutorials depict emacs as a bag of keyboard shortcuts. But in reality, there are some simple principles that are quite understandable. Do you know one that doesn't ?
  - nextos 10y ago
    Unfortunately, I don't. But I plan to write one soon.
    - patrickdavey 10y ago
      Please do write it! What I love about vim is that it is (to me anyway) a DSL for editing a document. The language has verbs "delete, copy, change" and nouns (paragraph, document, line) etc. that you can learn and combine. So once you understand how the language works, you can do a huge amount with it. I'd love to see a similar thing for emacs, outlining how it is supposed to be used and explored and fits together.
- kanbannoman 10y ago
  Do you mind telling me how you use kanban? I tried kanban.el but couldnt get it to update and populate the table, is there any way that emacs can auto-update live the kanban board based on todo states of items?? (e.g. if you hit shift + right for todo it is automatically seen in the todo column, without having to revert the file?)
  - nextos 10y ago
    Sure. I don't like kanban.el much. After a lot of though, I had a little epiphany. Vanilla org-mode is great as a kanban as long as you don't try to visualize it as a table. One should use an outline instead. org-mode is an extension of outline-mode, so this should not be surprising. Then everything is simple. Create custom states (I have TODO, PROG, WAIT & DONE). Agenda commands show you summarized views of the kanban. You can customize stuff with a bit of elisp, but org-mode as it is works great. Note the outline version of a kanban is still 2D, as a table, but strictly more powerful (as you can nest tasks, add text) which would be next to impossible in a table.
a7f4 10y ago
evil (extensible Vi layer for Emacs) made it (switch vim -> emacs) possible for me
wwkeyboard 10y ago
You don't have to switch editors. For the past few years I've moved between rubymine, pycharm, and atom for coding while still having emacs open for my org-mode notes.
- gglitch 10y ago
  OOC, why not also code in Emacs?
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westurner 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Integration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Integration lists a number of Vim extensions with OrgMode support. ... "What is the best way to avoid getting "Emacs Pinky"?" http://stackoverflow.com/questions/52492/what-is-the-best-way-to-avoid-getting-emacs-pinky http://stackoverflow.com/questions/52492/what-is-the-best-wa...
- flukus 10y ago
  They are all pale imitations of what org-mode offers.

Org-Mode is the one thing that makes me want to move from vim to emacs.. but I just don't feel like investing the time in getting proficient with emacs at this stage.

diegoprzl 10y ago

You can try Emacs with evil (extensible vi layer). It's still a major time investment though.

llamaz 10y ago
Only because it's hard to learn to configure emacs. With spacemacs, it's less of a problem, since things work sanely out of the box.
- jxy 10y ago
  With spacemacs, …, things work _insanely_ out of the box Honestly, you don't need any extra stuff, other than `evil' if you want vim bindings. (`Viper' works fine if you grok vi.)

dangom 10y ago

The transition couldn't be easier with Spacemacs: http://spacemacs.org/ http://spacemacs.org/ https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs

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nextos 10y ago

It's not as difficult as it seems. Actually I'd say that if you already know GNU Readline shortcuts (which are very helpful on e.g. Bash), it's an afternoon of work to learn the basics. The problem is that most tutorials depict emacs as a bag of keyboard shortcuts. But in reality, there are some simple principles that are quite understandable. And org-mode is so underappreciated. You can turn it into anything. I use it as a wiki and a kanban board. And it's amazing.

palunon 10y ago
>The problem is that most tutorials depict emacs as a bag of keyboard shortcuts. But in reality, there are some simple principles that are quite understandable. Do you know one that doesn't ?
- nextos 10y ago
  Unfortunately, I don't. But I plan to write one soon.
  - patrickdavey 10y ago
    Please do write it! What I love about vim is that it is (to me anyway) a DSL for editing a document. The language has verbs "delete, copy, change" and nouns (paragraph, document, line) etc. that you can learn and combine. So once you understand how the language works, you can do a huge amount with it. I'd love to see a similar thing for emacs, outlining how it is supposed to be used and explored and fits together.
kanbannoman 10y ago
Do you mind telling me how you use kanban? I tried kanban.el but couldnt get it to update and populate the table, is there any way that emacs can auto-update live the kanban board based on todo states of items?? (e.g. if you hit shift + right for todo it is automatically seen in the todo column, without having to revert the file?)
- nextos 10y ago
  Sure. I don't like kanban.el much. After a lot of though, I had a little epiphany. Vanilla org-mode is great as a kanban as long as you don't try to visualize it as a table. One should use an outline instead. org-mode is an extension of outline-mode, so this should not be surprising. Then everything is simple. Create custom states (I have TODO, PROG, WAIT & DONE). Agenda commands show you summarized views of the kanban. You can customize stuff with a bit of elisp, but org-mode as it is works great. Note the outline version of a kanban is still 2D, as a table, but strictly more powerful (as you can nest tasks, add text) which would be next to impossible in a table.

a7f4 10y ago

evil (extensible Vi layer for Emacs) made it (switch vim -> emacs) possible for me

wwkeyboard 10y ago

You don't have to switch editors. For the past few years I've moved between rubymine, pycharm, and atom for coding while still having emacs open for my org-mode notes.

gglitch 10y ago
OOC, why not also code in Emacs?

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westurner 10y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Integration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Integration lists a number of Vim extensions with OrgMode support. ... "What is the best way to avoid getting "Emacs Pinky"?" http://stackoverflow.com/questions/52492/what-is-the-best-way-to-avoid-getting-emacs-pinky http://stackoverflow.com/questions/52492/what-is-the-best-wa...

flukus 10y ago
They are all pale imitations of what org-mode offers.