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I fail to see any reason to hate her, what reasons are there?

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
As I said, it wasn't her fault: She took much of the blame for many of Reddit's policies that users were unhappy about. Some of these policies were more-or-less good, like banning overtly hateful subreddits (fatpeoplehate, and so one), and some of them were really bad (omnipresent shadowbans, and totally ignoring the needs of mods, which had been loudly voiced, culminating in the AMA debacle, which caused the famous "Reddit Revolt", as the mods decided that they'd had enough). They probably weren't all her fault, but she took the blame. And if you already blame her, I can understand where the hatred might come from, justified or no.
- yuhong 10y ago
  Though it was not like that Ellen was particularly good in the first place anyway. The lawsuit against KP is pretty famous by now.
- rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
  I think the problem was more that she attempted things that didn't work quite as well as she thought they would, and the Internet Hate Machine - amplified by the presence of the CEO's additional X chromosome - spun things out of control faster than they could have been fixed, by pretty much anybody. There was plenty to dislike about Pao's actions as CEO (as well as the KP lawsuit), but I think the real lesson is that the Internet Hate Machine is very difficult to slow down or stop once it flies out of control. Every nuance or worthy consideration is drowned out by waves of rage at even the smallest worthy object of complaint.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    That's a big part of it. But there were legitimate reasons it got to that point in the first place.
    - rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
      Agreed. There are also legitimate reasons that a snowball becomes an avalanche.
- FilterSweep 10y ago
  The issue was less due to /r/FPH getting banned, it was more /r/FPH getting banned WHILE other, overtly racist subs which equal or more impressions (prefer not to state them here), were not getting banned. It wasn't just a violation of the "free speech" promised by the original founder, but it was a selective "free speech" which indicated to affected individuals that they were offending the management/Admins while arguably even more offensive groups which targeted minorities that were not composed of management/Admin groups received a pass. Indeed, there was some schadenfreude with their wanting the same ill on these other offensive subs out of being selfish, but they did highlight a major inconsistency with Admins.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Is I understood it, for most it was neither: it was the AMA debacle that really set the fuse alight.
toolz 10y ago
Hard to sift through all the trolling and BS, but some people claim she was an entitled abusive entity inside of reddit. [This is the first obviously biased, but information dense post on her I found](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2x79ql/pdf_public_court_documents_surrounding_the_ellen/coxkrgb/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2x79ql/pdf_publ...). I don't make any claims to the accuracy of the accusations, but it's probably a decent starting point for anyone wanting to google around and learn more about the reddit crusade against her.
- arbitrage 10y ago
  Anything coming out of /r/MensRights doesn't even deserve to be taken with a grain of salt. It should be ignored completely.
  - toolz 10y ago
    Bit of a fallacy there don't you think? I imagine it touches on a great deal of topics that can be googled for more accurate information, right? I just glanced over it and noticed the attention to detail, so while given the source it's probably not a great idea to follow the conclusions it draws blindly, it's likely still a great resource for keywords, no?
    - pjc50 10y ago
      That's like saying that the virus-laden phishing PDF you just recieved might contain useful information. You shouldn't go anywhere near it. If there's real substance to the allegations, there will be another copy somewhere more respectable.
      - toolz 10y ago
        Are you suggesting a reddit post could irreversibly damage someone if they read it? That's a bit extreme is it not? I was able to glance through and glean plenty of keywords that lead to me being able to search for reputable sources that before hand I wouldn't have known what to search for. Now I'm just hoping I didn't contract a virus somehow xD

As I said, it wasn't her fault: She took much of the blame for many of Reddit's policies that users were unhappy about. Some of these policies were more-or-less good, like banning overtly hateful subreddits (fatpeoplehate, and so one), and some of them were really bad (omnipresent shadowbans, and totally ignoring the needs of mods, which had been loudly voiced, culminating in the AMA debacle, which caused the famous "Reddit Revolt", as the mods decided that they'd had enough). They probably weren't all her fault, but she took the blame. And if you already blame her, I can understand where the hatred might come from, justified or no.

yuhong 10y ago
Though it was not like that Ellen was particularly good in the first place anyway. The lawsuit against KP is pretty famous by now.
rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
I think the problem was more that she attempted things that didn't work quite as well as she thought they would, and the Internet Hate Machine - amplified by the presence of the CEO's additional X chromosome - spun things out of control faster than they could have been fixed, by pretty much anybody. There was plenty to dislike about Pao's actions as CEO (as well as the KP lawsuit), but I think the real lesson is that the Internet Hate Machine is very difficult to slow down or stop once it flies out of control. Every nuance or worthy consideration is drowned out by waves of rage at even the smallest worthy object of complaint.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  That's a big part of it. But there were legitimate reasons it got to that point in the first place.
  - rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
    Agreed. There are also legitimate reasons that a snowball becomes an avalanche.
FilterSweep 10y ago
The issue was less due to /r/FPH getting banned, it was more /r/FPH getting banned WHILE other, overtly racist subs which equal or more impressions (prefer not to state them here), were not getting banned. It wasn't just a violation of the "free speech" promised by the original founder, but it was a selective "free speech" which indicated to affected individuals that they were offending the management/Admins while arguably even more offensive groups which targeted minorities that were not composed of management/Admin groups received a pass. Indeed, there was some schadenfreude with their wanting the same ill on these other offensive subs out of being selfish, but they did highlight a major inconsistency with Admins.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Is I understood it, for most it was neither: it was the AMA debacle that really set the fuse alight.

toolz 10y ago

Hard to sift through all the trolling and BS, but some people claim she was an entitled abusive entity inside of reddit. [This is the first obviously biased, but information dense post on her I found](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2x79ql/pdf_public_court_documents_surrounding_the_ellen/coxkrgb/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2x79ql/pdf_publ...). I don't make any claims to the accuracy of the accusations, but it's probably a decent starting point for anyone wanting to google around and learn more about the reddit crusade against her.

arbitrage 10y ago
Anything coming out of /r/MensRights doesn't even deserve to be taken with a grain of salt. It should be ignored completely.
- toolz 10y ago
  Bit of a fallacy there don't you think? I imagine it touches on a great deal of topics that can be googled for more accurate information, right? I just glanced over it and noticed the attention to detail, so while given the source it's probably not a great idea to follow the conclusions it draws blindly, it's likely still a great resource for keywords, no?
  - pjc50 10y ago
    That's like saying that the virus-laden phishing PDF you just recieved might contain useful information. You shouldn't go anywhere near it. If there's real substance to the allegations, there will be another copy somewhere more respectable.
    - toolz 10y ago
      Are you suggesting a reddit post could irreversibly damage someone if they read it? That's a bit extreme is it not? I was able to glance through and glean plenty of keywords that lead to me being able to search for reputable sources that before hand I wouldn't have known what to search for. Now I'm just hoping I didn't contract a virus somehow xD