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A mugging is always the mugger's fault. Full stop. I could walk down the street wearing clothes made from $100 bills and gold thread, and it's the person who a

by rosser 10y ago

A mugging is always the mugger's fault. Full stop. I could walk down the street wearing clothes made from $100 bills and gold thread, and it's the person who attacks me that is to blame for that attack. They initiated the use of force and violence, contrary to law, custom, and human decency. Any claim to the contrary is, unambiguously, "Well, if she hadn't been wearing that dress..."

nradov 10y ago
You're completely missing the point. First, getting mad about someone trolling on the Internet has nothing to do with sexual assault. Second, I never stated anything about blaming the victim. But that doesn't make it smart to walk down a dark alley flashing $100 bills. The mugger is to blame but that won't keep you safe in the real world where some people will always be vicious predators. In fact through your intentional misunderstanding and inflammatory rhetoric about unrelated topics I now suspect you have successfully trolled me in a discussion about trolling. Well played, sir!
- rosser 10y ago
  > ...but that won't keep you safe in the real world where some people will always be vicious predators. And I'm saying the troll is the predator. He views his entertainment as more important than his "victim's" emotional state, and justifies it with arguments like, "Well, it's the internet, maaaan!" or "It's only a joke, lighten up," or "Serves them right for being so sensitive." I flatly repudiate that kind of self-serving rationalization. If you fuck with people's emotions for your own amusement, you are a predator. Doesn't matter how "easy" it is. Doesn't matter how "sensitive" they are. You (that is, the party trolling someone) are in the wrong. Does it change the fact that there are predators in the world? Of course not. But that still doesn't justify predation. And if you say it does, the same logic applies to muggings and sexual assault. That's the parallel.
  - mreiland 10y ago
    I think comparing an internet troll with a mugger or rapist is ridiculous.

by rosser 10y ago

nradov 10y ago

You're completely missing the point. First, getting mad about someone trolling on the Internet has nothing to do with sexual assault. Second, I never stated anything about blaming the victim. But that doesn't make it smart to walk down a dark alley flashing $100 bills. The mugger is to blame but that won't keep you safe in the real world where some people will always be vicious predators. In fact through your intentional misunderstanding and inflammatory rhetoric about unrelated topics I now suspect you have successfully trolled me in a discussion about trolling. Well played, sir!

rosser 10y ago
> ...but that won't keep you safe in the real world where some people will always be vicious predators. And I'm saying the troll is the predator. He views his entertainment as more important than his "victim's" emotional state, and justifies it with arguments like, "Well, it's the internet, maaaan!" or "It's only a joke, lighten up," or "Serves them right for being so sensitive." I flatly repudiate that kind of self-serving rationalization. If you fuck with people's emotions for your own amusement, you are a predator. Doesn't matter how "easy" it is. Doesn't matter how "sensitive" they are. You (that is, the party trolling someone) are in the wrong. Does it change the fact that there are predators in the world? Of course not. But that still doesn't justify predation. And if you say it does, the same logic applies to muggings and sexual assault. That's the parallel.
- mreiland 10y ago
  I think comparing an internet troll with a mugger or rapist is ridiculous.