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Zeynep Tufekci had a pretty ruthless takedown of their indiscriminate data dump during the Turkish coup. They put thousands of ordinary citizens in danger for n

Zeynep Tufekci had a pretty ruthless takedown of their indiscriminate data dump during the Turkish coup. They put thousands of ordinary citizens in danger for no reason whatsoever. The material wasn't even vetted by someone who spoke the language. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdogan-emails_b_11158792.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdog...

godd2 10y ago
If they were in danger, perhaps we should blame those who were pointing guns.
- tptacek 10y ago
  What invasion of privacy can't you excuse this way? Any harm caused by a violation of privacy will always have some more proximate cause.
  - marcosdumay 10y ago
    > What invasion of privacy can't you excuse this way? The ones made by the same people pointing the guns. I'm completely at loss what to think about recent events, but godd2's argument isn't trivial.
imron 10y ago
That data dump of personal details wasn't even released by Wikileaks: https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-the-akp-hack-dump-and-wikileaks-release/ https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-t... I'm not sure why you (and others) are trying to hold them responsible for it.
- idlewords 10y ago
  Quoting Zeynep in that piece: “I actually never had a conclusion on who the uploader was, since it wasn’t central to my complaint about actions of Wikileaks: that they had misrepresented what the emails were, and that they had repeatedly publicized these doxing databases as “full data for our Turkey AKP emails + more”. I’m glad to see one party step up and take responsibility, but this doesn’t absolve Wikileaks of their role in all parts of this “leak” which never should have happened since it exposed no wrongdoing by a government or a powerful actor, merely the emails of ordinary people, and sensitive personal information of 20-30 million ordinary people. I tried to explain this directly to Wikileaks, but they blocked me after I started showing them tweets from Turkey’s leading anti-censorship activists who were disgusted and horrified by these actions, especially since they will now become a strong talking point for pro-censorship forces in Turkey.” I find the fact that they blocked her especially obnoxious.
  - totalZero 10y ago
    Didn't she say that after she was confronted about being wrong in the first place? From your prior link: https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-the-akp-hack-dump-and-wikileaks-release/ https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-t...

godd2 10y ago

If they were in danger, perhaps we should blame those who were pointing guns.

tptacek 10y ago
What invasion of privacy can't you excuse this way? Any harm caused by a violation of privacy will always have some more proximate cause.
- marcosdumay 10y ago
  > What invasion of privacy can't you excuse this way? The ones made by the same people pointing the guns. I'm completely at loss what to think about recent events, but godd2's argument isn't trivial.

imron 10y ago

That data dump of personal details wasn't even released by Wikileaks: https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-the-akp-hack-dump-and-wikileaks-release/ https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-t... I'm not sure why you (and others) are trying to hold them responsible for it.

idlewords 10y ago
Quoting Zeynep in that piece: “I actually never had a conclusion on who the uploader was, since it wasn’t central to my complaint about actions of Wikileaks: that they had misrepresented what the emails were, and that they had repeatedly publicized these doxing databases as “full data for our Turkey AKP emails + more”. I’m glad to see one party step up and take responsibility, but this doesn’t absolve Wikileaks of their role in all parts of this “leak” which never should have happened since it exposed no wrongdoing by a government or a powerful actor, merely the emails of ordinary people, and sensitive personal information of 20-30 million ordinary people. I tried to explain this directly to Wikileaks, but they blocked me after I started showing them tweets from Turkey’s leading anti-censorship activists who were disgusted and horrified by these actions, especially since they will now become a strong talking point for pro-censorship forces in Turkey.” I find the fact that they blocked her especially obnoxious.
- totalZero 10y ago
  Didn't she say that after she was confronted about being wrong in the first place? From your prior link: https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-the-akp-hack-dump-and-wikileaks-release/ https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-t...