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> we will continue to fight for a smart policy solution that works for the the people, not the powerful. lol, they talk like they are a grass root movement, th
by aikah 10y ago
> we will continue to fight for a smart policy solution that works for the the people, not the powerful.
lol, they talk like they are a grass root movement, they fight for nothing but their own bottom line, I hate this insulting "disruptive" marketing speech. There are laws, just because you're an "app" doesn't give you the right to violate them.
- amyjess 10y agoI know, right? It's one of the reasons why the culture of the SV tech industry turns me off so much, and it's a part of why I'm glad I don't live in SV or work for an SV company.
- WalterSear 10y agoDoesn't sound like you're in the best position to pass judgement on it, then.
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- TAForObvReasons 10y agoAs the great saying goes, "Move fast and break things". Laws are things, right?
- johnchristopher 10y agoNope, you missed the point: > "Move fast and break things" is a saying common in science and engineering industries. In that context, it means that making mistakes is a natural consequence of innovation in a highly competitive and complex environment. In particular, it was adopted by Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook (who even went as far as to say that 'breaking things' is a necessary feature of moving 'fast enough'). Breaking the law is a mistake (and a serious one for any business caught). Move fast and break things is more about breaking your own things, not someone else's things :) What's next ? Breaking your node shop competitors' legs :) ? Move fast and break things != One can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.
- TAForObvReasons 10y ago> What's next ? Breaking your node shop competitors' legs :) ? Wouldn't you want to break their arms? ;)
- johnchristopher 10y agoEh :).
- tsieling 10y ago> Move fast and break things is more about breaking your own things, not someone else's things :) In a world of APIs, the line between these blurs when things break.
- justinator 10y agoMove fast, break things, ignore the casualties in your wake.
- venomsnake 10y agoHey - that is the Russian doctrine in Syria. And US approach to world politics. Works well for them so far.
- wyager 10y agoI mean, they are very small compared to deeply entrenched NIMBY housing politics and the hotel lobby.
- jacquesm 10y agoEvery hotel has a lobby except for AirBnB ;)
- muninn_ 10y agoSort of true... I've actually seen hotels list rooms on AirBnB in San Francisco. The logic is that the type of people who are looking at AirBnB are looking at a specific price range, great location, good value, etc... . So if you're a hotel you can list a room or so on that platform that you otherwise might lose out on to an AirBnB competitor.
- hilop 10y agoAirBnB is a distributed hotel with a centralized lobby in Albany.
- kafkaesq 10y agoIt's not simply NIMBYism. In NYC and other cities, there are legitimate questions about the preservation of (rapidly dwindling) affordable housing at stake.
- eherot 10y agoNIMBYism (in the form of parking minimums and height/density restrictions) are one of the main causes of that housing shortage you mentioned. The fact that permanent residents feel like they are locked in a tight competition with short-term visitors is a symptom of the problem, not the cause.
- Tempest1981 10y agoSo you would like to see the zoning rules changed, and that's a reasonable discussion to have. OTOH, the intent of zoning is to let people know what to expect when they move into a neighborhood. Changing that after-the-fact violates this agreement, and not surprisingly results in what you call NIMBYism.
- dclowd9901 10y agoAre you seriously advocating for law that was in no way supported by a majority of votership?
- TAForObvReasons 10y agoAre you seriously advocating for breaking any law in the quest for profits?
- a13n 10y agoThe law is far from perfect which is why it's constantly changing. If only it changed faster and actually represented the majority's values.
- 1_2__3 10y agoOur system of government is specifically designed to limit the tyranny of the majority. It may not be to your liking but a lot of smart people who came before you learned that slow and steady change is what effects actual progress, and (additionally) what the majority wants right now isn't necessarily what we should be implementing wholesale.
- threeseed 10y agoI wasn't aware that the majority of people in the community support AirBNB ? I would've thought it was the opposite.
- eli_gottlieb 10y agoAnd by "the majority's values" you mean "my wallet".
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- nyangosling 10y agoAre there not aspects of industry regulation at the legislative level that don't really have to do with what the public wants already?
- Shivetya 10y agoSo its okay for the established businesses to use the power of government to shut down competition and prevent people from using their property as they see fit, even when it is safe and does not endanger the well being of others? This is one of the biggest abuses of government power there can be, using to it to snuff competition or favor one particular business. It hides behind "regulation" and if that doesn't work there is always "think of the children"
- eli 10y agoIt seems to work for Uber
- toomuchtodo 10y agohttp://www.businessinsider.com/heres-everywhere-uber-is-banned-around-the-world-2015-4 http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-everywhere-uber-is-bann...
- eli 10y agoIs there a handy list of jurisdictions where they successfully got what they were doing legalized after they were already doing it. Here in DC for one.
- toomuchtodo 10y agoThere isn't that I could find, but I'm happy to keep track between now and when they burn through their runway. Offtopic: Love utilitydive.com! Very helpful for keeping track of how renewables are making inroads in the utility sector.
- eli 10y agoHey I think we agree on long-term viability. I'm just impressed with the sheer chutzpah of the marketing/lobbying effort. And thanks so much about Utility Dive! Always happy to grab a coffee or a drink with a reader if you happen to find yourself in DC.
- willholloway 10y agoThe law in this case is a hammer looking for a nail. If a short term rental is violating noise ordinances, fine it or shut it down, don't shut down every short term rental just because you fear it. The biggest thing I have learned from running a couple short term rental listings is that people are basically good. I hosted 68 guests in the last three weeks and every last one of them was nice and respectful and quiet. Anti short term rental sentiment is based on paranoid hysteria. I don't live in NYC, but in a neighboring state and bought a three family house with the express intent of living in one unit and renting the others as vacation rentals. The prospect of nosy, controlling moral scolds shutting down my American dream, is extremely maddening. ' The only externality to my house is that there are cars in the drive way with license plates from a variety of states. Fear of new cars in the driveway should not trump my rights as owner and tax payer on this land. Luckily in public meetings our town planners have declared their need for vacation rentals. The housing market is weak here and if the town were to shut down vacation rentals, it would put even more pressure on an already cold real estate market.
- baybal3 10y agoThe idea that people are free to make business and do what they want with their own property is alien to the state of New York. By far, it is the most commie ridden state, even ahead of California. The state should be fought over laws like this, not negotiated with.
- GavinMcG 10y agoAre you throwing "commie" in there as shorthand for something that you think we'll all agree is abhorrent? 'Cause I'm really totally fine with the community getting together and dictating certain things to each other. That's the level we're on here – not state control of the means of production for the benefit of the people collectively.
- hash-set 10y agoYes, because somehow the basic facets of private commerce that worked for centuries are now somehow dangerous and government has to interject itself into everyone's business. Oh yeah, that's the ACTUAL definition of collectivism!
- murbard2 10y agoYes, it's obviously BS on AirBnB's part, but this line of speech is their best chance of not being shut down in NYC. The priority should be alleviating the burden of sclerosing bureaucratic regulations, and if AirBnB can do that with a BS narrative about "the sharing economy", more power to them. The same goes with Uber and the taxi medallion system. This isn't a fair debate where we should weigh the merit of each's side argument. This is a battle where one side will ultimately resort to violence to enforce its decision.
- ryanlm 10y agoGreat comment. And I want to point out that no matter how privileged you are in America, Government pretty much has the final say.
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