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Apple comes to mind.

cmdrfred 10y ago
Your getting downvoted beacuse morals only apply to people in the same social caste as you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides
- akerro 10y ago
  This thing is called "suicide net", plenty of images of them on Google Image, eg here http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/FOXCON-APPLE-SUICIDE-NETS.jpg http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/FO... If some people find them moral, maybe they will find this a bit less moral: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/19/children-as-young-as-seven-mining-cobalt-for-use-in-smartphones-says-amnesty https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/19/c...
- gambiting 10y ago
  And I am sure that employees working at factories that make parts for other manufacturers absolutely never kill themselves due to their work, and that foxconn never supplies parts for anyone else but Apple? Let's be realistic for a second.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    From the wiki "Fell from apartment building[11] after losing an iPhone prototype in his possession.[12] Prior to death, he claimed he was beaten and his residence searched by Foxconn employees."
    - gambiting 10y ago
      And if Apple used any other factory in China it wouldn't have happened? Or are you saying that Apple murdered someone?
      - clarry 10y ago
        > And if Apple used any other factory in China it wouldn't have happened? It could have happened in another factory. However, it surely wouldn't have happened in every single factory. And it shouldn't have happened in any factory. If large corps like Apple are in a position to influence a change such than things like this do not happen in the factories they rely on, then perhaps it is their moral responsibility to do so. If not them, who else would do it?
        gambiting 10y ago
        The government of the country those factories are operating in, perhaps???
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        So manifest destiny is your arugment essentially?
        gambiting 10y ago
        I literally had no idea what that was, and after googling it have no clue how it relates. So the answer is - I don't know.
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        Colonial Americans believed that they were right in displacing native Americans due to that fact that God did not stop them from doing so. Basically its moral as long as nobody stops you.
  - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
    The context is tech companies (making phones) that are immoral in addition to Samsung. Complaining that someone singled out Apple Computers is missing the point badly. No-one is saying your beloved Apple is the only company that hides behind corporatism as an excuse to be shitty, they're saying Apple is also such a company.
- burger_moon 10y ago
  Foxconn and their awful employment treatment are brought to you by the profits of more than just Apple however. Perhaps that's why people have a knee jerk reaction to singling out a tech company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    That's relative morality, not morality.
- icebraining 10y ago
  From your link (emphasis mine): "The suicide rate at Foxconn during 2010 remained lower than that of the general Chinese population at the time as well as all 50 states of the United States."
msh 10y ago
How are their morals worse than samsung? I don't remember them trying to bribe a president.

Your getting downvoted beacuse morals only apply to people in the same social caste as you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

akerro 10y ago
This thing is called "suicide net", plenty of images of them on Google Image, eg here http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/FOXCON-APPLE-SUICIDE-NETS.jpg http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/FO... If some people find them moral, maybe they will find this a bit less moral: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/19/children-as-young-as-seven-mining-cobalt-for-use-in-smartphones-says-amnesty https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/19/c...
gambiting 10y ago
And I am sure that employees working at factories that make parts for other manufacturers absolutely never kill themselves due to their work, and that foxconn never supplies parts for anyone else but Apple? Let's be realistic for a second.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  From the wiki "Fell from apartment building[11] after losing an iPhone prototype in his possession.[12] Prior to death, he claimed he was beaten and his residence searched by Foxconn employees."
  - gambiting 10y ago
    And if Apple used any other factory in China it wouldn't have happened? Or are you saying that Apple murdered someone?
    - clarry 10y ago
      > And if Apple used any other factory in China it wouldn't have happened? It could have happened in another factory. However, it surely wouldn't have happened in every single factory. And it shouldn't have happened in any factory. If large corps like Apple are in a position to influence a change such than things like this do not happen in the factories they rely on, then perhaps it is their moral responsibility to do so. If not them, who else would do it?
      - gambiting 10y ago
        The government of the country those factories are operating in, perhaps???
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        So manifest destiny is your arugment essentially?
        gambiting 10y ago
        I literally had no idea what that was, and after googling it have no clue how it relates. So the answer is - I don't know.
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        Colonial Americans believed that they were right in displacing native Americans due to that fact that God did not stop them from doing so. Basically its moral as long as nobody stops you.
- pbhjpbhj 10y ago
  The context is tech companies (making phones) that are immoral in addition to Samsung. Complaining that someone singled out Apple Computers is missing the point badly. No-one is saying your beloved Apple is the only company that hides behind corporatism as an excuse to be shitty, they're saying Apple is also such a company.
burger_moon 10y ago
Foxconn and their awful employment treatment are brought to you by the profits of more than just Apple however. Perhaps that's why people have a knee jerk reaction to singling out a tech company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  That's relative morality, not morality.
icebraining 10y ago
From your link (emphasis mine): "The suicide rate at Foxconn during 2010 remained lower than that of the general Chinese population at the time as well as all 50 states of the United States."

msh 10y ago

How are their morals worse than samsung? I don't remember them trying to bribe a president.