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I don't know about you but I find it incredible that while we can see galaxies formed 13 billion years ago[0], we have completely missed the existence of a larg

by noyesno 10y ago

I don't know about you but I find it incredible that while we can see galaxies formed 13 billion years ago[0], we have completely missed the existence of a large planet in our own solar system. I can only guess what kind of theories the Nibiru/PlanetX[1] enthusiasts will cook up based on this announcement. [0] http://www.space.com/32150-farthest-galaxy-smashes-cosmic-distance-record.html http://www.space.com/32150-farthest-galaxy-smashes-cosmic-di... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

amelius 10y ago
Also, since the article says: > It continues to amaze us; every time we look carefully we continue to find that Planet Nine explains something about the solar system that had long been a mystery Why hasn't the existence of an additional planet been hypothesized before?
- kartikkumar 10y ago
  It's not that it hadn't been hypothesized before, it's rather that the numbers that they attribute to this hypothesis stack up well against a lot of Solar System observations. In other words, the hypothesis is not merely that there is another large, undiscovered planet in the far reaches of the Solar System, but rather the details of its mass and orbit that make this a compelling case. Part of the reason that this hypothesis wasn't possible before is because the observational data to support these numbers was lacking. The amount of knowledge we've gained about the Kuiper Belt over the last decade or so is phenomenal and drives our understanding of what might have happened in the early Solar System. It's worth reading the original paper to get a handle on the rigour with which this hypothesis has been analyzed and the coupling with observations of the Kuiper Belt [1]. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.5166.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.5166.pdf
  - CoryG89 10y ago
    I think this is the same as the hypothesis for Planet X that has been around since the 90s. Seems like they've just modified it slightly. They take observations they can't explain, and then make something up out of thin air that will explain the observations. Not saying this is a bad strategy, just that in my view it's not much different from hypotheses for additional planets which have come before.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  There have been constant hypothetical planets and even companion stars theorized to explain various discrepancies. The problem is that we have a lot of missing information about the orbital mechanics of bodies that far and the discrepancies can be sometimes so small that they can hide or be "explained" by observation and calculations errors.
Tepix 10y ago
Even distant galaxys send a lot of energy our way, whereas very cold, very distant and dark matter is simply very hard to detect, especially from below the earth's atmosphere. We need more space based telescopes. These things are a gold mine for science. There must be a huge amount of brown dwarves out there (probably also closer than Alpha Centauri), but we don't have enough of the right tools to look for them. Look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brown_dwarfs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brow... #3 and #4 were found in 2013 and 2014!
dogma1138 10y ago
These galaxies are considerably more energetic and they are also considerably larger in arcs in the sky than most planets especially small planets in the outer solar system and beyond.

by noyesno 10y ago

amelius 10y ago

Also, since the article says: > It continues to amaze us; every time we look carefully we continue to find that Planet Nine explains something about the solar system that had long been a mystery Why hasn't the existence of an additional planet been hypothesized before?

kartikkumar 10y ago
It's not that it hadn't been hypothesized before, it's rather that the numbers that they attribute to this hypothesis stack up well against a lot of Solar System observations. In other words, the hypothesis is not merely that there is another large, undiscovered planet in the far reaches of the Solar System, but rather the details of its mass and orbit that make this a compelling case. Part of the reason that this hypothesis wasn't possible before is because the observational data to support these numbers was lacking. The amount of knowledge we've gained about the Kuiper Belt over the last decade or so is phenomenal and drives our understanding of what might have happened in the early Solar System. It's worth reading the original paper to get a handle on the rigour with which this hypothesis has been analyzed and the coupling with observations of the Kuiper Belt [1]. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.5166.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.5166.pdf
- CoryG89 10y ago
  I think this is the same as the hypothesis for Planet X that has been around since the 90s. Seems like they've just modified it slightly. They take observations they can't explain, and then make something up out of thin air that will explain the observations. Not saying this is a bad strategy, just that in my view it's not much different from hypotheses for additional planets which have come before.
dogma1138 10y ago
There have been constant hypothetical planets and even companion stars theorized to explain various discrepancies. The problem is that we have a lot of missing information about the orbital mechanics of bodies that far and the discrepancies can be sometimes so small that they can hide or be "explained" by observation and calculations errors.

Tepix 10y ago

Even distant galaxys send a lot of energy our way, whereas very cold, very distant and dark matter is simply very hard to detect, especially from below the earth's atmosphere. We need more space based telescopes. These things are a gold mine for science. There must be a huge amount of brown dwarves out there (probably also closer than Alpha Centauri), but we don't have enough of the right tools to look for them. Look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brown_dwarfs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brow... #3 and #4 were found in 2013 and 2014!

dogma1138 10y ago

These galaxies are considerably more energetic and they are also considerably larger in arcs in the sky than most planets especially small planets in the outer solar system and beyond.