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Nobody opposed Obama for being black. Not even racists in the south. They couldn't care about that because they were too upset with the policies he proposed.

Nobody opposed Obama for being black. Not even racists in the south. They couldn't care about that because they were too upset with the policies he proposed. The only people talking about Obamas race where Obama supporters who wanted to avoid substantive discussion about the issues. Those same people are running around calling Trump a racist now.

dpark 10y ago
The entire scenario here was posited as this being equivalent to when republicans were terrified of a black president being elected. You might not agree that this was the problem, but it's the scenario being discussed. For the record, the whole "Kenyan, Muslim" stuff was overly racist. Almost no one came out and said that they were opposed to Obama because they were racist. But when you falsely accuse a black man of being a secret Kenyan Muslim, you're just racist.
- cmurf 10y ago
  Not merely accuse, but persisted in questioning him even after the black man's papers were shown. And this was no mere questioning, but peddling lies like the investigators Trump claimed to have sent to Hawaii who were finding things we wouldn't believe, without ever elaborating. And not in five years did Trump ever talk about policy. He just accused the president of not being legitimate. Like many Republicans did, some directly, most by just staying silent. A handful rejected birtherism outright. There's a reason why some 98% of black American will not be voting for Trump this year. And it's not their f'g imagination.
  - hiringmanager 10y ago
    You two don't seem to realize that the whole "kenyan muslim" thing -- birtherism and secret muslim- were campaign tactics used by Hillary. So, will you be consistent and say Hillary is a racist? (Would be consistent with her long friendships with Robert Byrd, and her "needy latinos" comment)
    - dpark 10y ago
      Provide some evidence that Clinton had anything to do with birtherism and then we can discuss how racist she is. So far no one has produced any evidence at all to back this claim. Ditto for the Muslim claim. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/ http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-ori... It's also really not compelling to defend an outspoken racist by pointing out that his opponent may also be racist, even if it were true.
      - cmurf 10y ago
        "But I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate. And I think I did a good job." Trump The sheer hubris required to state this outloud is appalling, but totally consistent with this pompous blowhard. But it gets better. Nearly a year and a half after it was produced: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/232572505238433794 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/23257250523843379... Trump is a con artist. People who believe anything he says, or vote for him, are being conned. He is the epitome of George Carlin's rant about people who keep on voting for people against their own self interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESAmKudsKKY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESAmKudsKKY I will be very interested to see what people think of Trump's character on November 9 when he doesn't graciously concede like 100% of every previous loser of a presidential election. There is no gracious anything about Donald Trump.
    - cmurf 10y ago
      OK that's it, you are a troll. The idea the president was either a Muslim or not an natural born citizen did not originate with Hillary - that has been soundly rejected by all available historical facts. That you repeat this lie proves you are a shill for liars, top on that list is Donald Trump who likes to repeat this same lie. The problem with you, and people like you, is you think everyone else are ignorant morons who can't see what you're doing.
DonHopkins 10y ago
> Nobody opposed Obama for being black. Not even racists in the south. Now you're just lying. Shame on you for your blatant racism denial. [1] [2] There are many racists all over America, and many of them are quite explicit and open about being opposed to Obama for being black. Do you suggest we not take them at their word? [1] The New Racism: First you deny racism exists. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-racism-america-michael-brown-trayvon-martin-20140908-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-ra... [2] Discourse and the denial of racism: http://www.discourses.org/OldArticles/Discourse%20and%20the%20denial%20of%20racism.pdf http://www.discourses.org/OldArticles/Discourse%20and%20the%... >Negative representations of the dominated group are essential in such a reproduction process. However, such attitudes and ideologies are inconsistent with dominant democratic and humanitarian norms and ideals. This means that the dominant group must protect itself, cognitively and discursively, against the damaging charge of intolerance and racism. Cognitive balance may be restored only by actually being or becoming anti-racist, by accepting minorities and immigrants as equals, or else by denying racism. It is this choice white groups in Europe and North America are facing. So far they have largely chosen the latter option.
- hiringmanager 10y ago
  I love it! First we had climate "denial" now we have "racism denial"! And if this is The New Racism, you just called me racist. So let me get this straight you just called a Gay Black Man from the Southern USA who grew up with racists and who was pretty well positioned to speak on what Racists in the South were saying about Barack Obama after he was elected-- a liar and a racist myself-- for relating what they said. Because it doesn't fit some BS narrative? And you link to propaganda to defend yourself? I guess reality just doesn't matter when you've got an agenda, right? And I'm the liar? No, I think you're anti-intellectual and you don't care what facts disagree with your narrative.

dpark 10y ago

The entire scenario here was posited as this being equivalent to when republicans were terrified of a black president being elected. You might not agree that this was the problem, but it's the scenario being discussed. For the record, the whole "Kenyan, Muslim" stuff was overly racist. Almost no one came out and said that they were opposed to Obama because they were racist. But when you falsely accuse a black man of being a secret Kenyan Muslim, you're just racist.

cmurf 10y ago
Not merely accuse, but persisted in questioning him even after the black man's papers were shown. And this was no mere questioning, but peddling lies like the investigators Trump claimed to have sent to Hawaii who were finding things we wouldn't believe, without ever elaborating. And not in five years did Trump ever talk about policy. He just accused the president of not being legitimate. Like many Republicans did, some directly, most by just staying silent. A handful rejected birtherism outright. There's a reason why some 98% of black American will not be voting for Trump this year. And it's not their f'g imagination.
- hiringmanager 10y ago
  You two don't seem to realize that the whole "kenyan muslim" thing -- birtherism and secret muslim- were campaign tactics used by Hillary. So, will you be consistent and say Hillary is a racist? (Would be consistent with her long friendships with Robert Byrd, and her "needy latinos" comment)
  - dpark 10y ago
    Provide some evidence that Clinton had anything to do with birtherism and then we can discuss how racist she is. So far no one has produced any evidence at all to back this claim. Ditto for the Muslim claim. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/ http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-ori... It's also really not compelling to defend an outspoken racist by pointing out that his opponent may also be racist, even if it were true.
    - cmurf 10y ago
      "But I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate. And I think I did a good job." Trump The sheer hubris required to state this outloud is appalling, but totally consistent with this pompous blowhard. But it gets better. Nearly a year and a half after it was produced: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/232572505238433794 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/23257250523843379... Trump is a con artist. People who believe anything he says, or vote for him, are being conned. He is the epitome of George Carlin's rant about people who keep on voting for people against their own self interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESAmKudsKKY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESAmKudsKKY I will be very interested to see what people think of Trump's character on November 9 when he doesn't graciously concede like 100% of every previous loser of a presidential election. There is no gracious anything about Donald Trump.
  - cmurf 10y ago
    OK that's it, you are a troll. The idea the president was either a Muslim or not an natural born citizen did not originate with Hillary - that has been soundly rejected by all available historical facts. That you repeat this lie proves you are a shill for liars, top on that list is Donald Trump who likes to repeat this same lie. The problem with you, and people like you, is you think everyone else are ignorant morons who can't see what you're doing.

DonHopkins 10y ago

> Nobody opposed Obama for being black. Not even racists in the south. Now you're just lying. Shame on you for your blatant racism denial. [1] [2] There are many racists all over America, and many of them are quite explicit and open about being opposed to Obama for being black. Do you suggest we not take them at their word? [1] The New Racism: First you deny racism exists. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-racism-america-michael-brown-trayvon-martin-20140908-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-ra... [2] Discourse and the denial of racism: http://www.discourses.org/OldArticles/Discourse%20and%20the%20denial%20of%20racism.pdf http://www.discourses.org/OldArticles/Discourse%20and%20the%... >Negative representations of the dominated group are essential in such a reproduction process. However, such attitudes and ideologies are inconsistent with dominant democratic and humanitarian norms and ideals. This means that the dominant group must protect itself, cognitively and discursively, against the damaging charge of intolerance and racism. Cognitive balance may be restored only by actually being or becoming anti-racist, by accepting minorities and immigrants as equals, or else by denying racism. It is this choice white groups in Europe and North America are facing. So far they have largely chosen the latter option.

hiringmanager 10y ago
I love it! First we had climate "denial" now we have "racism denial"! And if this is The New Racism, you just called me racist. So let me get this straight you just called a Gay Black Man from the Southern USA who grew up with racists and who was pretty well positioned to speak on what Racists in the South were saying about Barack Obama after he was elected-- a liar and a racist myself-- for relating what they said. Because it doesn't fit some BS narrative? And you link to propaganda to defend yourself? I guess reality just doesn't matter when you've got an agenda, right? And I'm the liar? No, I think you're anti-intellectual and you don't care what facts disagree with your narrative.