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Sure I contradict myself, and I know that. My issue is how people have been transformed into labor machines. Being rated by a salary is meek metric to begin wi

by jokoon 10y ago

Sure I contradict myself, and I know that. My issue is how people have been transformed into labor machines. Being rated by a salary is meek metric to begin with. That's a problem of principle. > I think the majority of people would classify you as being lazy, and I would say they are right to do so. And they would, but until you can find a good reason for me to contribute to a society, I would call that relatively low motivation. If I have to beg to get a job, and if it is literally work to find a job, then it is not going to make a lot of sense to me since I am not legally obligated to work. If there is actual unemployment, but there are no simple jobs to do, then maybe laziness is not the problem, maybe it's something else. It's so biblical to call somebody lazy. > without you really having to going put in the effort to work for it In the current system you will get removed instantly if you are not competitive enough or take a little too much time to work on something. That's how capitalism works: only the numbers matter. People are not machines. Competition can be a problem if it becomes more important than cooperation. Unemployment is the failure of cooperation.

reverend_gonzo 10y ago
You are precisely the kind of person who causes people to question welfare. I know exactly how to give you a good reason to contribute society. If we stop giving you free food and shelter, and if you want to not starve, you will find a job. In the current system you will get removed instantly if you are not competitive enough or take a little too much time to work on something. That's how capitalism works: only the numbers matter. People are not machines. Competition can be a problem if it becomes more important than cooperation. Unemployment is the failure of cooperation. How would you know this? By your words, you have never worked more than a month in your entire life.
- jokoon 10y ago
  > You are precisely the kind of person who causes people to question welfare. Yet basic income has become a large conversation. > If we stop giving you free food and shelter, and if you want to not starve, you will find a job. Sure, go do that. I'm not against it, I'm just scared that so many people will starve and not find a job, that those people will start rioting pretty quickly. That's an aspect you don't seem to think about. > How would you know this? By your words, you have never worked more than a month in your entire life. Well not getting hired for the same reason is the same thing.

by jokoon 10y ago

reverend_gonzo 10y ago

You are precisely the kind of person who causes people to question welfare. I know exactly how to give you a good reason to contribute society. If we stop giving you free food and shelter, and if you want to not starve, you will find a job. In the current system you will get removed instantly if you are not competitive enough or take a little too much time to work on something. That's how capitalism works: only the numbers matter. People are not machines. Competition can be a problem if it becomes more important than cooperation. Unemployment is the failure of cooperation. How would you know this? By your words, you have never worked more than a month in your entire life.

jokoon 10y ago
> You are precisely the kind of person who causes people to question welfare. Yet basic income has become a large conversation. > If we stop giving you free food and shelter, and if you want to not starve, you will find a job. Sure, go do that. I'm not against it, I'm just scared that so many people will starve and not find a job, that those people will start rioting pretty quickly. That's an aspect you don't seem to think about. > How would you know this? By your words, you have never worked more than a month in your entire life. Well not getting hired for the same reason is the same thing.