4 ms·

Maybe I'm missing something here, but you seem to contradict yourself: The inactivity and the feeling of exclusion is soul-killing The simple idea of idlen

Maybe I'm missing something here, but you seem to contradict yourself: The inactivity and the feeling of exclusion is soul-killing The simple idea of idleness and staying at home to paint or draw seems to drive people crazy. If you're happy sitting at home and drawing, and you can pay your bills and survive in that manner, more power to you, but it seems you're not happy doing that. From what you write, it seems that you want someone to just give you a job, without you really having to going put in the effort to work for it. You say you're also training to be an army reservist, which implies that you're at least physically fit, and you know how to code, so you're at least mentally capable, so I'm guessing the disability is related to something like depression. Now, I have no intention to knock depression, but it is on you to figure out how you can live that will satisfy you and provide your needs, whether it is working a corporate job, working in a field or being an artist. But the way you describe yourself, I think the majority of people would classify you as being lazy, and I would say they are right to do so.

jokoon 10y ago
Sure I contradict myself, and I know that. My issue is how people have been transformed into labor machines. Being rated by a salary is meek metric to begin with. That's a problem of principle. > I think the majority of people would classify you as being lazy, and I would say they are right to do so. And they would, but until you can find a good reason for me to contribute to a society, I would call that relatively low motivation. If I have to beg to get a job, and if it is literally work to find a job, then it is not going to make a lot of sense to me since I am not legally obligated to work. If there is actual unemployment, but there are no simple jobs to do, then maybe laziness is not the problem, maybe it's something else. It's so biblical to call somebody lazy. > without you really having to going put in the effort to work for it In the current system you will get removed instantly if you are not competitive enough or take a little too much time to work on something. That's how capitalism works: only the numbers matter. People are not machines. Competition can be a problem if it becomes more important than cooperation. Unemployment is the failure of cooperation.
- reverend_gonzo 10y ago
  You are precisely the kind of person who causes people to question welfare. I know exactly how to give you a good reason to contribute society. If we stop giving you free food and shelter, and if you want to not starve, you will find a job. In the current system you will get removed instantly if you are not competitive enough or take a little too much time to work on something. That's how capitalism works: only the numbers matter. People are not machines. Competition can be a problem if it becomes more important than cooperation. Unemployment is the failure of cooperation. How would you know this? By your words, you have never worked more than a month in your entire life.
  - jokoon 10y ago
    > You are precisely the kind of person who causes people to question welfare. Yet basic income has become a large conversation. > If we stop giving you free food and shelter, and if you want to not starve, you will find a job. Sure, go do that. I'm not against it, I'm just scared that so many people will starve and not find a job, that those people will start rioting pretty quickly. That's an aspect you don't seem to think about. > How would you know this? By your words, you have never worked more than a month in your entire life. Well not getting hired for the same reason is the same thing.

jokoon 10y ago

Sure I contradict myself, and I know that. My issue is how people have been transformed into labor machines. Being rated by a salary is meek metric to begin with. That's a problem of principle. > I think the majority of people would classify you as being lazy, and I would say they are right to do so. And they would, but until you can find a good reason for me to contribute to a society, I would call that relatively low motivation. If I have to beg to get a job, and if it is literally work to find a job, then it is not going to make a lot of sense to me since I am not legally obligated to work. If there is actual unemployment, but there are no simple jobs to do, then maybe laziness is not the problem, maybe it's something else. It's so biblical to call somebody lazy. > without you really having to going put in the effort to work for it In the current system you will get removed instantly if you are not competitive enough or take a little too much time to work on something. That's how capitalism works: only the numbers matter. People are not machines. Competition can be a problem if it becomes more important than cooperation. Unemployment is the failure of cooperation.

reverend_gonzo 10y ago
You are precisely the kind of person who causes people to question welfare. I know exactly how to give you a good reason to contribute society. If we stop giving you free food and shelter, and if you want to not starve, you will find a job. In the current system you will get removed instantly if you are not competitive enough or take a little too much time to work on something. That's how capitalism works: only the numbers matter. People are not machines. Competition can be a problem if it becomes more important than cooperation. Unemployment is the failure of cooperation. How would you know this? By your words, you have never worked more than a month in your entire life.
- jokoon 10y ago
  > You are precisely the kind of person who causes people to question welfare. Yet basic income has become a large conversation. > If we stop giving you free food and shelter, and if you want to not starve, you will find a job. Sure, go do that. I'm not against it, I'm just scared that so many people will starve and not find a job, that those people will start rioting pretty quickly. That's an aspect you don't seem to think about. > How would you know this? By your words, you have never worked more than a month in your entire life. Well not getting hired for the same reason is the same thing.