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Or there's no insurance files and Assange is bluffing. He won't sit on some scoop harming the United States for long, his ego and power trip would force his han

by varjag 10y ago

Or there's no insurance files and Assange is bluffing. He won't sit on some scoop harming the United States for long, his ego and power trip would force his hand.

mbreedlove 10y ago
The insurance files are public. They just have to release the keys. 3.6GB - http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-A.aes256.torrent http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-A.aes256.t... 49GB - http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-B.aes256.torrent http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-B.aes256.t... 349GB - http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-C.aes256.torrent http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-C.aes256.t... 94GB - https://file.wikileaks.org/torrent/2016-06-03_insurance.aes256.torrent https://file.wikileaks.org/torrent/2016-06-03_insurance.aes2... I don't know why they would put out a few hundred gigabytes of fake files. The contents might not be as interesting as people hope, though.
- countingteeth 10y ago
  "Bluffing." It takes zero effort to distribute a a few hundred gigabytes of encrypted random data, relative to the amount of investigation and speculation as to what if anything is in those files. They are called "insurance." Assange/Wikileaks wanted to deter actions being taken against him. Seems to me as likely as not that there is nothing really there.
  - appleflaxen 10y ago
    the good news is that you don't even need to encrypt your data, if they are random to start with.
    - amelius 10y ago
      That might be tricky. An encrypted file may have some properties a random file does not have in general.
      - Ao7bei3s 10y ago
        No, unless the algorithm is broken. Ciphertext indistiguishability[1] is a basic requirement for any encryption scheme. All modern ciphers are designed to make that hard. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguishing_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguishing_attack
        amelius 10y ago
        Yes, but you remove that attack vector simply by encrypting a random file instead.
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- Solinoid 10y ago
  There was a link on HN not too long ago to a quote from Assange, stating that part of the strategy is to sow uncertainty and doubt among the players to increase the secrecy tax. A multigig encrypted dump could have that effect. That said he can't really play that card too often.
- astn 10y ago
  >I don't know why they would put out a few hundred gigabytes of fake files. Looks like you can check it now. The keys went public: pre-commitment 3: UK FCO f33a6de5c627e3270ed3e02f62cd0c857467a780cf6123d2172d80d02a072f74 pre-commitment 2: Ecuador eae5c9b064ed649ba468f0800abf8b56ae5cfe355b93b1ce90a1b92a48a9ab72 pre-commitment 1: John Kerry 4bb96075acadc3d80b5ac872874c3037a386f4f595fe99e687439aabd0219809 https://twitter.com/wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks
  - labster 10y ago
    Those tweets came out 7 hours before the Internet link message.
  - Kenji 10y ago
    I speculate that these are only SHA256 hashes of keys or documents that will be released in the future. It's pre-commitment. I didn't try decrypting one of the files with a key yet, though. I'm busy with other things (like browsing HN, aaah).
    - the_duke 10y ago
      The tweets are just hashes of the insurance files to confirm their validity, not the decryption keys (yet).
- dllthomas 10y ago
  > I don't know why they would put out a few hundred gigabytes of fake files. To trick people like you? `dd if=/dev/urandom` is much easier than finding a comparable quantity of actual info. I don't know enough to have much opinion on the odds that's the case, vs them being real, though.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > I don't know why they would put out a few hundred gigabytes of fake files. The same reason a stick-up man might put their hand in their pocket to mimic the shape of a gun. If you have no weapon, it's still often useful to make people think you have one.

by varjag 10y ago

Or there's no insurance files and Assange is bluffing. He won't sit on some scoop harming the United States for long, his ego and power trip would force his hand.

mbreedlove 10y ago

The insurance files are public. They just have to release the keys. 3.6GB - http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-A.aes256.torrent http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-A.aes256.t... 49GB - http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-B.aes256.torrent http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-B.aes256.t... 349GB - http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-C.aes256.torrent http://wlstorage.net/torrent/wlinsurance-20130815-C.aes256.t... 94GB - https://file.wikileaks.org/torrent/2016-06-03_insurance.aes256.torrent https://file.wikileaks.org/torrent/2016-06-03_insurance.aes2... I don't know why they would put out a few hundred gigabytes of fake files. The contents might not be as interesting as people hope, though.

countingteeth 10y ago
"Bluffing." It takes zero effort to distribute a a few hundred gigabytes of encrypted random data, relative to the amount of investigation and speculation as to what if anything is in those files. They are called "insurance." Assange/Wikileaks wanted to deter actions being taken against him. Seems to me as likely as not that there is nothing really there.
- appleflaxen 10y ago
  the good news is that you don't even need to encrypt your data, if they are random to start with.
  - amelius 10y ago
    That might be tricky. An encrypted file may have some properties a random file does not have in general.
    - Ao7bei3s 10y ago
      No, unless the algorithm is broken. Ciphertext indistiguishability[1] is a basic requirement for any encryption scheme. All modern ciphers are designed to make that hard. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguishing_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguishing_attack
      - amelius 10y ago
        Yes, but you remove that attack vector simply by encrypting a random file instead.
        deleted 10y ago
        [deleted]
Solinoid 10y ago
There was a link on HN not too long ago to a quote from Assange, stating that part of the strategy is to sow uncertainty and doubt among the players to increase the secrecy tax. A multigig encrypted dump could have that effect. That said he can't really play that card too often.
astn 10y ago
>I don't know why they would put out a few hundred gigabytes of fake files. Looks like you can check it now. The keys went public: pre-commitment 3: UK FCO f33a6de5c627e3270ed3e02f62cd0c857467a780cf6123d2172d80d02a072f74 pre-commitment 2: Ecuador eae5c9b064ed649ba468f0800abf8b56ae5cfe355b93b1ce90a1b92a48a9ab72 pre-commitment 1: John Kerry 4bb96075acadc3d80b5ac872874c3037a386f4f595fe99e687439aabd0219809 https://twitter.com/wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks
- labster 10y ago
  Those tweets came out 7 hours before the Internet link message.
- Kenji 10y ago
  I speculate that these are only SHA256 hashes of keys or documents that will be released in the future. It's pre-commitment. I didn't try decrypting one of the files with a key yet, though. I'm busy with other things (like browsing HN, aaah).
  - the_duke 10y ago
    The tweets are just hashes of the insurance files to confirm their validity, not the decryption keys (yet).
dllthomas 10y ago
> I don't know why they would put out a few hundred gigabytes of fake files. To trick people like you? `dd if=/dev/urandom` is much easier than finding a comparable quantity of actual info. I don't know enough to have much opinion on the odds that's the case, vs them being real, though.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> I don't know why they would put out a few hundred gigabytes of fake files. The same reason a stick-up man might put their hand in their pocket to mimic the shape of a gun. If you have no weapon, it's still often useful to make people think you have one.