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Rodger Stone (who may have back-channel communications with Wikileaks staff [0]) shared two tweets suggesting that this might be US backed action. Note these tw

by Pilfer 10y ago

Rodger Stone (who may have back-channel communications with Wikileaks staff [0]) shared two tweets suggesting that this might be US backed action. Note these tweets are still unconfirmed. At time of writing I have not yet seen this information corroborated elsewhere. 1) "John Kerry has threatened the Ecuadorian President with "grave consequences for Equador" if Assange is not silenced @StoneColdTruth" [1] 2) "Reports the Brits storm the Ecuadorian Embassy tonite while Kerry demands the UK revoke their diplomatic status so Assange can be seized" [2] It really does make me wonder what documents Wikileaks might have that could make US diplomats so riled up. [0] http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/roger-stone-back-channel-julian-assange http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/roger-stone-back-chann... [1] https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/787858612844695552 https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/787858612844695552 [2] https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/787863160149598208 https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/787863160149598208

imron 10y ago
I doubt it's back channels (Wikileaks has repudiated that before: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782963650579529730 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782963650579529730). Rather I'm guessing it's just speculation based on fact the John Kerry is currently visiting the UK.
AvenueIngres 10y ago
> that this might be US backed action I doubt the USG is involved in this. They have a pretty solid track record of both respecting human rights and due process. Keep in mind the US government is the most ethical government in the world. Assange, on the other hand, is a rapist and a Russian puppet trying to hijack the US election. He probably is a Trump supporter in disguise and a closeted systemd committer. If that wasn't enough, there are multiple reports claiming that Assange does not respect PEP8 in his code. This last thing was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
- imron 10y ago
  Don't worry about the downvotes AvenueIngres, I'm guessing those people fell victim to Poe's law.
  - snovv_crash 10y ago
    Or they don't read entire comments.
    - imron 10y ago
      That's a fair point. It took me up until 'closeted systemd committer' to realise he wasn't being serious :-)
      - countingteeth 10y ago
        He had me until PEP8. That was a fair characterization of the Devuan crowd. Edit: Fair characterization of their level of systemd hate; not any correlation to US politics or Wikileaks.
        imron 10y ago
        Yep, fully aware of the hate, it was the lack of correlation that did it.
  - appleflaxen 10y ago
    or they did, and are of the opinion that sarcasm is noise.
- harry8 10y ago
  I nearly bit. Well played.
  - mirkules 10y ago
    Yeah me too. I had to look up PEP8 to finally get it.
  - calgoo 10y ago
    Im on my first coffee of the day, and it did not click :) I wish people could add a /s or we could add a new voting button to mark something as sarcasm / a joke?
- nostrademons 10y ago
  Not systemd, Postgres: https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=author&s=julian https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git&a=search... Would this change your opinion?
- codeduck 10y ago
  Bravo.
- NotSammyHagar 10y ago
  SystemD eh? No hope for him then.
Xylakant 10y ago
That would make little sense: If they wanted to storm, why cut the Internet ahead of time and give advance warning?
- AvenueIngres 10y ago
  It is not clear whether Assange is tweeting or a third-party is. For all we know, they could have stormed and the only information available to the person maintaining the Wikileaks twitter account is that Assange cannot be reached. The situation is not clear atm.
  - Xylakant 10y ago
    The Ecuadorian embassy in London stormed without as much as a trace on the internet? Come on - I like a good conspiracy theory, but that's going a little far, isn't it? It would require the Ecuadorian government to hold tight and then storming the embassy wouldn't make sense - they could just have kicked Assange out and called the local police who'd happily pick him up.
  - seanhunter 10y ago
    Seriously? Here's the Ecuadorian Embassy: https://goo.gl/maps/gtwjXtGrv9p https://goo.gl/maps/gtwjXtGrv9p Note that it's not in the middle of nowhere, it's right behind Harrods (ie 100 yards away from one of the busiest shopping streets in one of the world's largest and most diverse cities, with 1000s of people walking by every minute carrying cellphones). Do you honestly think anyone could storm such an embassy and not have a massive media footprint? When the Iranian embassy was stormed there was wall-to-wall coverage on the news, and that was in the 1980s, before every second person on the street had a cellphone and twitter.
    - AvenueIngres 10y ago
      1. Calm down. No one is saying this is what happened. No need to get on your high horses. 2. At the time the Internet got cut-off it was 6:40am in the UK. Pretty early. 3. The British government has the power to issue DA-notice to media outlets. 4. "Storming" the Ecuadorian embassy would not take a lot of manpower. This isn't a raid of a Mexican cartel. There is no resistance to expect, the adversarial repercussions would be diplomatic. 5. "For all we know" - means that this is an hypothesis. We are speculating. If you have up-to-date information, feel free to share.
AvenueIngres 10y ago
For what it is worth (that is not a lot): https://i.imgur.com/abcVS6q.jpg https://i.imgur.com/abcVS6q.jpg Though it might be something: a guy claiming to be a CIA intelligence analyst says that Assange is about to get extradited. We will know in the coming hours for sure. If this is true it is pretty damaging to the sexual assault accusations he was facing in Sweden. That would confirm that it was indeed the end-goal of getting him transferred to Sweden. It was posted a few hours before everything unravelled and so far the anonymous poster was right. Of course, he could just be lucky and trolling for replies. At such an early stage it is interesting to share anyway.
- evgen 10y ago
  What it would confirm is that Assange has made himself more trouble than he is worth the the Ecuadorian's and they have decided to simply kick him out of their embassy. They have no moral obligation to continue providing shelter for someone who thinks their protection is some untouchable perch from which to play political games and are simply asking them to leave. Assange is that guy you once knew from high school who you let crash on your couch for 'a few days' and find still there a year later trying to run a mail-order scam out of your kitchen. He is being shown the door. The fact that once he leaves the long-delayed wheels of justice start turning is merely a side-effect. The end-goal is not getting him transferred to Sweden, it is for Assange to be able to show the world that he was right all along by defending himself against the charges against him and not hiding until he could run out the clock.
  - phy6 10y ago
    I think if this election cycle has taught us anything, it's that allegations of the worst kind can be created for political reasons. Surely Bill Clinton AND Donald Trump AND Julian Assange AND Anthony Weiner can't all be rapists, right? What kind of a world do we live in if they all are?!
    - Xylakant 10y ago
      > can't all be rapists, right? Why not? Considering that not too long ago it was deemed legal to rape your wife? It's not too long ago that rape wasn't exactly treated as the crime it is now. Without wanting to apologize any of the behavior, it's less than my lifetime ago that the man who took a woman against her will wasn't considered a rapist but rather a role model in large chunks of the population. So yes, it's quite well possible that all of them are rapists. That's the kind of world we live in.
bjourne 10y ago
Roger Stone is a so called ratfucker (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratfucking http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratfucking). He posts a lot of inane garbage in the hopes that it will help Trump and discredit his opposition. He started the completely false rumor that Ted Cruz had several affairs to help Trump win the Republican election. His words are not worth anything.
rtpg 10y ago
Or it could be that Stone is making stuff up/greatly exaggerating? Isn't Stone basically an Alex Jones type?

by Pilfer 10y ago

imron 10y ago

I doubt it's back channels (Wikileaks has repudiated that before: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782963650579529730 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782963650579529730). Rather I'm guessing it's just speculation based on fact the John Kerry is currently visiting the UK.

AvenueIngres 10y ago

> that this might be US backed action I doubt the USG is involved in this. They have a pretty solid track record of both respecting human rights and due process. Keep in mind the US government is the most ethical government in the world. Assange, on the other hand, is a rapist and a Russian puppet trying to hijack the US election. He probably is a Trump supporter in disguise and a closeted systemd committer. If that wasn't enough, there are multiple reports claiming that Assange does not respect PEP8 in his code. This last thing was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

imron 10y ago
Don't worry about the downvotes AvenueIngres, I'm guessing those people fell victim to Poe's law.
- snovv_crash 10y ago
  Or they don't read entire comments.
  - imron 10y ago
    That's a fair point. It took me up until 'closeted systemd committer' to realise he wasn't being serious :-)
    - countingteeth 10y ago
      He had me until PEP8. That was a fair characterization of the Devuan crowd. Edit: Fair characterization of their level of systemd hate; not any correlation to US politics or Wikileaks.
      - imron 10y ago
        Yep, fully aware of the hate, it was the lack of correlation that did it.
- appleflaxen 10y ago
  or they did, and are of the opinion that sarcasm is noise.
harry8 10y ago
I nearly bit. Well played.
- mirkules 10y ago
  Yeah me too. I had to look up PEP8 to finally get it.
- calgoo 10y ago
  Im on my first coffee of the day, and it did not click :) I wish people could add a /s or we could add a new voting button to mark something as sarcasm / a joke?
nostrademons 10y ago
Not systemd, Postgres: https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=author&s=julian https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git&a=search... Would this change your opinion?
codeduck 10y ago
Bravo.
NotSammyHagar 10y ago
SystemD eh? No hope for him then.

Xylakant 10y ago

That would make little sense: If they wanted to storm, why cut the Internet ahead of time and give advance warning?

AvenueIngres 10y ago
It is not clear whether Assange is tweeting or a third-party is. For all we know, they could have stormed and the only information available to the person maintaining the Wikileaks twitter account is that Assange cannot be reached. The situation is not clear atm.
- Xylakant 10y ago
  The Ecuadorian embassy in London stormed without as much as a trace on the internet? Come on - I like a good conspiracy theory, but that's going a little far, isn't it? It would require the Ecuadorian government to hold tight and then storming the embassy wouldn't make sense - they could just have kicked Assange out and called the local police who'd happily pick him up.
- seanhunter 10y ago
  Seriously? Here's the Ecuadorian Embassy: https://goo.gl/maps/gtwjXtGrv9p https://goo.gl/maps/gtwjXtGrv9p Note that it's not in the middle of nowhere, it's right behind Harrods (ie 100 yards away from one of the busiest shopping streets in one of the world's largest and most diverse cities, with 1000s of people walking by every minute carrying cellphones). Do you honestly think anyone could storm such an embassy and not have a massive media footprint? When the Iranian embassy was stormed there was wall-to-wall coverage on the news, and that was in the 1980s, before every second person on the street had a cellphone and twitter.
  - AvenueIngres 10y ago
    1. Calm down. No one is saying this is what happened. No need to get on your high horses. 2. At the time the Internet got cut-off it was 6:40am in the UK. Pretty early. 3. The British government has the power to issue DA-notice to media outlets. 4. "Storming" the Ecuadorian embassy would not take a lot of manpower. This isn't a raid of a Mexican cartel. There is no resistance to expect, the adversarial repercussions would be diplomatic. 5. "For all we know" - means that this is an hypothesis. We are speculating. If you have up-to-date information, feel free to share.

AvenueIngres 10y ago

For what it is worth (that is not a lot): https://i.imgur.com/abcVS6q.jpg https://i.imgur.com/abcVS6q.jpg Though it might be something: a guy claiming to be a CIA intelligence analyst says that Assange is about to get extradited. We will know in the coming hours for sure. If this is true it is pretty damaging to the sexual assault accusations he was facing in Sweden. That would confirm that it was indeed the end-goal of getting him transferred to Sweden. It was posted a few hours before everything unravelled and so far the anonymous poster was right. Of course, he could just be lucky and trolling for replies. At such an early stage it is interesting to share anyway.

evgen 10y ago
What it would confirm is that Assange has made himself more trouble than he is worth the the Ecuadorian's and they have decided to simply kick him out of their embassy. They have no moral obligation to continue providing shelter for someone who thinks their protection is some untouchable perch from which to play political games and are simply asking them to leave. Assange is that guy you once knew from high school who you let crash on your couch for 'a few days' and find still there a year later trying to run a mail-order scam out of your kitchen. He is being shown the door. The fact that once he leaves the long-delayed wheels of justice start turning is merely a side-effect. The end-goal is not getting him transferred to Sweden, it is for Assange to be able to show the world that he was right all along by defending himself against the charges against him and not hiding until he could run out the clock.
- phy6 10y ago
  I think if this election cycle has taught us anything, it's that allegations of the worst kind can be created for political reasons. Surely Bill Clinton AND Donald Trump AND Julian Assange AND Anthony Weiner can't all be rapists, right? What kind of a world do we live in if they all are?!
  - Xylakant 10y ago
    > can't all be rapists, right? Why not? Considering that not too long ago it was deemed legal to rape your wife? It's not too long ago that rape wasn't exactly treated as the crime it is now. Without wanting to apologize any of the behavior, it's less than my lifetime ago that the man who took a woman against her will wasn't considered a rapist but rather a role model in large chunks of the population. So yes, it's quite well possible that all of them are rapists. That's the kind of world we live in.

bjourne 10y ago

Roger Stone is a so called ratfucker (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratfucking http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratfucking). He posts a lot of inane garbage in the hopes that it will help Trump and discredit his opposition. He started the completely false rumor that Ted Cruz had several affairs to help Trump win the Republican election. His words are not worth anything.

rtpg 10y ago

Or it could be that Stone is making stuff up/greatly exaggerating? Isn't Stone basically an Alex Jones type?