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Hmmm. It's not like installing the charging points later is terribly difficult or expensive compared to the cost of the cars themselves, so long as there's a su

• stuaxo 10y ago
  In towns and cities most people have to park on the street. (At least in the UK).
• brudgers 10y ago
  Any jurisdiction that requires off street parking to be associated with buildings (which is nearly universal in the US) could be said to be similarly subsidizing the auto industry. To me, the reason to consider requiring a car charging station is not really related to cars but to the history of after the fact electrical installations which to be safe must be done right and doing it right takes time (to hire qualified installers) and money (to hire said installers and purchase electrical gear) and that human nature is to avoid those things and install systems that trade those costs for safety (fire and shock). I look at it as parallel to requiring circuit breakers rather than fuses in new residential construction and renovation. Fuses are really safe, safer than circuit breakers in theory. In practice people substitute non-fusable objects for fuses for convenience and cost savings. The work until they don't.
  • dsfyu404ed 10y ago
    >To me, the reason to consider requiring a car charging station is not really related to cars but to the history of after the fact electrical installations which to be safe must be done right and doing it right takes time (to hire qualified installers) and money (to hire said installers and purchase electrical gear) and that human nature is to avoid those things and install systems that trade those costs for safety (fire and shock). >I look at it as parallel to requiring circuit breakers rather than fuses in new residential construction and renovation. Fuses are really safe, safer than circuit breakers in theory. In practice people substitute non-fusable objects for fuses for convenience and cost savings. The work until they don't. I agree here. That said, in the US most homeowner electrical installations are done 90% to code and the stuff people skip is stuff like supporting wires individually and circuit planning often sucks. In applications where you really care about not starting electrical fires there's usually a combination breaker and fuse where the breaker setting is conservative and the fuse is sized to burn up just before the wire does.
    • brudgers 10y ago
      90% to code is not to code. The parts that comply with code don't make noncompliant parts safe. The parts that comply with code make other compliant parts safe.
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  • cesarb 10y ago
    > I look at it as parallel to requiring circuit breakers rather than fuses in new residential construction and renovation. Since it's a charging point, wouldn't it be more similar to "each bedroom should have at least N power sockets per square meter"? I believe a rule like that already exists, requiring something like "at least N electric vehicle charging sockets per square meter of garage" sounds like a natural extension of it. That said, I'd like to read that draft directive, and see what it actually says.
    • brudgers 10y ago
      To me, there's really no philosophical difference between receptacles in the bedroom and the prohibition on fuseboxes. Receptacles in bedrooms are to reduce life safety hazards from the use of extension cords when receptacles are lacking as the requirement for circuit breakers reduces the life safety hazard from using coins when replacement fuses are lacking. Incidentally, the US centric NEC also requires bedroom circuits to be protected from arc faults in new/upgraded installations. This is typically achieved with breakers in the breaker box.
• IshKebab 10y ago
  It's difficult if you don't own the house.