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Sure, but this isn't just 'men being bad'. If you take away the mans benefits of a traditional relationship what reason is there for a man to invest in one tod
by ZoF 10y ago
Sure, but this isn't just 'men being bad'.
If you take away the mans benefits of a traditional relationship what reason is there for a man to invest in one today? Certainly not the benefits that have existed for the previous hundreds(thousands) of years while our species evolved.
Should men have had those benefits? Perhaps not of course. Doesn't change the fact that they did exist and no longer do. (it's not as if this was a one way street)
There's nothing 'evil' or 'wrong' about identifying that things which previously existed no longer do.
Perhaps there's no acknowledgement of obligation/consequence because none exists anymore, whether that's a good or bad thing is a separate argument.
Here's the equality you wanted. Time to dogfood it.
- amelius 10y ago> If you take away the mans benefits of a traditional relationship what reason is there for a man to invest in one today? Well, in today's housing market you need a double income :)
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- enraged_camel 10y agoNot if you don't have kids and don't care about stuff like school district quality.
- mrec 10y agoDepends where you are. Places like New York or London are still brutally expensive for single-income households - prices are set at the margin, and at the margin you're going to be bidding against double-income households for all sorts of desirability criteria, not just sprog-related ones.
- hilop 10y agoEven in NYC, paying $3000/mo for a 1BR is expensive but doable for a large range of the population with no dependents. And there are places in NYC that are cheaper. Choosing the couple most extreme cases isn't very interesting.
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- sattoshi 10y agoWhat benefits are you talking about?
- ZoF 10y agoThe obvious of course; I'd assume you're asking that to entrap me in a 'misogynistic' statement of 'women should be owned by their man'. Not how I feel at all. But sure, here's a brief summary of tasks previously(generations ago) assigned to almost solely females: -Household chores ->laundry ->cleaning ->cooking -Child rearing Again, we're talking about the past here, women today obviously live in a different world where they are empowered. Do I think women should have to do those things now? Nope. Did I say they did? Nope. Do I think women choosing this lifestyle are 'stupid' or not 'empowered enough'? Nope. Do men owe women anything in this context? Nope. This is equality. Men have _nothing_ to apologize for or work towards. We are equal.
- hilop 10y agoYou seem to be having a debate with your own fearful imagination.
- ZoF 10y agoDo I now? Exactly what am I afraid of?
- sattoshi 10y agoI was not trying to intrap you in anything. I am no too familiar with American culture hence my question. Please don't assume that people attack you when asking questions.
- ZoF 10y agoApologies, perhaps I'm a bit too offensively defensive these days.
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