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Kratom withdrawal is unpleasant. Debilitating withdrawal is uncommon in people that aren't taking heroic doses to self medicate their addictions to other opiate
by rms 10y ago
Kratom withdrawal is unpleasant. Debilitating withdrawal is uncommon in people that aren't taking heroic doses to self medicate their addictions to other opiates, therefore punting the withdrawal symptoms down the road. Acute kratom withdrawal is shorter than for long acting pharmaceutical opiates, but post acute withdrawal syndrome (PAWS) can be dragged out because kratom has some poorly documented and poorly understood non-opiate-related antidepressant actions. It has unusually complicated pharmacology with interesting combinations of conflicting, competing, and synergistic mechanisms.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwMPT92bOJKdZWM2bzlLeU5DdDg/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwMPT92bOJKdZWM2bzlLeU5DdDg... is the letter from the American Kratom Association to the DEA, which compares the number of kratom related calls to poison control centers to calls related to supplements. Kratom seems to be at about the same level as ginkgo biloba and better tolerated than St. John's Wort.
This is surprising, and has resulted in weird errors in literature reviews on kratom, that I've spent dozens of hours trying to unpack during my efforts to improve the Wikipedia article.
Kratom seems to have a really surprisingly low incidence of severe side effects. The state of the information out there is weird. Something like someone said "Kratom is a mu opioid agonist and mu opioid agonists cause respiratory depression" in a peer reviewed paper, which then got cited in a medical textbook as "Kratom causes respiratory depression". However, primary research in mice shows that kratom causes dramatically less respiratory depression than poppy derived opioids. No case of kratom related respiratory depression has actually been documented in a human. In my comprehensive review of the literature, there was someone who had a seizure and was intubated but still had respiration in the normal range. Someone else suffered aspiration pneumonia in response to (inhaling?) kratom, but aspiration pneumonia is not respiratory depression.
Basically, kratom does have side effects, and real side effects, but when looked at as a population level public health problem, is profoundly safe for how powerful of an effect it actually has.
- darpa_escapee 10y agoI, unfortunately, have extensive experience with kratom and kratom extracts. Today, I am 5 years clean of kratom and all narcotics. I bought the "kratom is non-addictive and can improve your life" line fully as a teenager. What ensued was indistinguishable from a full blown opiate addiction. I ended up in in-patient detox to finally quit and, five years later, have not regained all that I had lost during that time. Just because kratom has a high threshold for overdose does not mean it is not an opioid. Edit: Keaton != Kratom
- rms 10y agoAbsolutely. Propaganda from both sides of the debate results in confusing and sometimes harmful information. I don't claim that kratom is without harm. I claim that from a public health perspective, kratom reduces harm by trading off with drugs that cause more harm.
- spaces_____ 10y agoI only have about 4 years off and on experience with powdered leaf but would never touch the extracts. It is similar to the difference between having a single beer and drinking vodka straight from the bottle. Kratom has helped me a lot with sticking to an exercise routine and sleep. I try to never exceed 8 grams of powdered leaf a day. When I hit that, I taper off and take a break for 1-2 months.
- M00n_Sl47r 10y agohow does your tapering schedule work? If you don't mind me asking.
- spaces_____ 10y agoWhen I take kratom I dose 2x a day. Drop by .25 or .50 grams for each dose. When each dose is 2 grams, I switch to dosing 3 grams 1x a day. Right before bed. Then I just taper that down at the same rate. When I get to 0.5 grams per day, I just stop. I may sleep a little less and feel a little irritable for a few days but then it's back to normal. Working out every day and abstaining from sugary foods eliminates any remaining withdrawal symptoms in my experience.