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Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen And keep your eyes wide The chance won't come again And don't speak too soon For the wheel's still in
by jcrei 10y ago
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.
- htaunay 10y agoExcellent comment/verse, given the context. Congrats on the insight.
- Noseshine 10y agoAlthough listening to that song now I find it somewhat sad and dispiriting, because the "change" that came in the decades following that proclamation, was it really a change? Looking at politics and society? I think of that song in the context of its use in "Watchmen" [0] as more realistic. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUDdQS2UxA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUDdQS2UxA
- Ntrails 10y agoThat film is without question my favourite set of opening credits, and honestly I think that short outdoes the rest of the film by an order of magnitude.
- ekianjo 10y agoThe rebel became part of the institution in the end. Somewhat sad if you ask me.
- Angostura 10y agoOnly sad if you believe that he didn't effect change in teh institution.
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- employee8000 10y agoBased on current American society and especially the election, I would say he effected no change unfortunately.
- josu 10y agoIn the time since Dylan started signing black people went from having very limited rights to winning a presidential elections. Obviously, there are many more factors than Dylan at play, and establishing causality, or the lack of thereof, is impossible. But, in my opinion, saying that society has not changed would be a big mistake.
- nihonde 10y agoAttributing any of that "progress" to Bob Dylan is a huge reach. He has a lot of fans and reached some segment of the population with his act, but he's basically just another guy peddling records and tap dancing for nickels.
- praveer13 10y agoThis is an unfortunate outlook in my opinion. Art and literature are definitely more important than mere entertainment. The greatness of an artist is determined by how much impact they had on a society.
- josu 10y ago>Attributing any of that "progress" to Bob Dylan is a huge reach. While that's true, Bob Dylan was most likely the reason behind Hurricane's retrial, so that's something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_(Bob_Dylan_song) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_(Bob_Dylan_song)
- qmalzp 10y agoI would argue he occupied a lot more mindspace than most Nobel Laureates.
- elcapitan 10y agoWell he hasn't accepted the award yet ;)
- 77pt77 10y agoAlso known as the baby-boomer curse.
- paganel 10y agoFound this 1968 song from an Israeli singer a couple of weeks ago, whose title says it all: "The Hippies Of Today Are The Assholes of Tomorrow" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joZU1fMFCAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joZU1fMFCAo).
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- tnecniv 10y agoEh, I don't know unless you are referring to some event I am not familiar with. Yeah he's not writing protest songs anymore (unless you ask him [1]), but since he went electric, he's been doing what he wants, not what's expected of him. I saw him on tour this year, and it was a strange experience. The performance, song choice, and delivery felt more like he was just doing his music thing and I was paying to watch -- he wasn't trying to entertain me. [1] I saw a video of this interview, but I can't seem to find it now, so https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_songs_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_songs_in_the_United_St... will have to do. Search for "all my songs"
- efuquen 10y agoI think Dylan would never have called himself a 'rebel' to begin with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guOaI6_cF10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guOaI6_cF10
- 77pt77 10y agoThis should be a textbook example of the halo effect.
- cooper12 10y agoReminds me of Jean-Paul Sartre's letter in which he rejected the Nobel Prize: > The writer who accepts an honour of this kind involves as well as himself the association or institution which has honoured him,” he said at the time. “The writer must therefore refuse to let himself be transformed into an institution, even if this occurs under the most honourable circumstances, as in the present case. (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/05/sartre-nobel-prize-literature-letter-swedish-academy https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/05/sartre-nobel-p...)
- wlievens 10y agoIsn't that somewhat what My Back Pages is already about?
- nathancahill 10y agoOh, but you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face For now's the time for your tears
- giarc 10y agoGreat song - for those wondering, it is The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol by Bob Dylan. I think the lyrics are more powerful in context of the rest of the song[0]. 0- https://play.google.com/music/preview/Tjwyq4ppzw6s7xatkamydgv4wty?lyrics=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=lyrics&pcampaignid=kp-songlyrics&u=0# https://play.google.com/music/preview/Tjwyq4ppzw6s7xatkamydg...
- nathancahill 10y agoNPR(?) did an excellent analysis of the lyrics and rhymes in the song a while ago, but I can't find the episode.
- nathancahill 10y agoFound: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12702088 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12702088
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