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iOS has plenty of developer pain points as well, although in their case a lot of them are as much a result of dumb Apple policies as they are technical mistakes

iOS has plenty of developer pain points as well, although in their case a lot of them are as much a result of dumb Apple policies as they are technical mistakes. I'm going the other way. After six years of iOS work I've had enough. I still think the web is the smart long term bet so that's where I intend to focus my energies.

copperx 10y ago
I agree. However, I would have never thought that developers would be so miserable in 2016. Say what you will about the desktop; developing for it was a pleasure (except for you, Win32 API) compared to what we have in 2016.
- rpeden 10y ago
  The sad part is that things were looking pretty hopeful in 2008-2010. I particularly liked Cappuccino. It's basically a port of Cocoa to the web. You could design your interface in OSX's Interface Builder. The project is still around and is still being worked on. Sproutcore was pretty similar, and is also still around. Neither of them are being developed as heavily as React or Angular 2, but they have both been mature for a long time, and perhaps don't need a lot of work to be done on them. Maybe it's just me, but I still find 280Atlas[1] and 280Slides[2] more impressive that many web apps that ship today, and they're nearly 10 years old and ran in browsers far slower and less capable than what we have now. I actually think more developers would frameworks like these if they didn't feel they had to stay on the latest and greatst JS treadmill to remain employable. And I write that as someone who likes React and Angular. They're both sane ways to develop complex apps, but they don't feel that much better than what was possible 8 years ago. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzAPLaFO7I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzAPLaFO7I [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZwfh-_QEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZwfh-_QEQ
Humdeee 10y ago
Very true. Having done both professionally however, I can say Android is on another level with frustration and tooling problems. Yes, I've become biased, and yes, I will remain much less enthusiastic to take on an Android project. I appreciate both platforms, but man, iOS allows me to sleep a bit better at night.

copperx 10y ago

I agree. However, I would have never thought that developers would be so miserable in 2016. Say what you will about the desktop; developing for it was a pleasure (except for you, Win32 API) compared to what we have in 2016.

rpeden 10y ago
The sad part is that things were looking pretty hopeful in 2008-2010. I particularly liked Cappuccino. It's basically a port of Cocoa to the web. You could design your interface in OSX's Interface Builder. The project is still around and is still being worked on. Sproutcore was pretty similar, and is also still around. Neither of them are being developed as heavily as React or Angular 2, but they have both been mature for a long time, and perhaps don't need a lot of work to be done on them. Maybe it's just me, but I still find 280Atlas[1] and 280Slides[2] more impressive that many web apps that ship today, and they're nearly 10 years old and ran in browsers far slower and less capable than what we have now. I actually think more developers would frameworks like these if they didn't feel they had to stay on the latest and greatst JS treadmill to remain employable. And I write that as someone who likes React and Angular. They're both sane ways to develop complex apps, but they don't feel that much better than what was possible 8 years ago. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzAPLaFO7I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouzAPLaFO7I [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZwfh-_QEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZwfh-_QEQ

Humdeee 10y ago

Very true. Having done both professionally however, I can say Android is on another level with frustration and tooling problems. Yes, I've become biased, and yes, I will remain much less enthusiastic to take on an Android project. I appreciate both platforms, but man, iOS allows me to sleep a bit better at night.