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Sad that the reddit advice is: [–]guitartrashmaster 45 points 4 hours ago Dude post on hacker news trust me perma-linkembedsavereportgive goldrepl

Sad that the reddit advice is: [–]guitartrashmaster 45 points 4 hours ago Dude post on hacker news trust me perma-linkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]VikingIV -2 points 45 minutes ago This. Its the same with google; the only way for devs to get any kind of traction is by kicking up a fuss on HN. Its crazy that it has to be this way.

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ohashi 10y ago
A complete shame, but this isn't new. This is the digital equivalent of call your local paper and kick up a fuss.
- jondubois 10y ago
  This is quite different because local newspapers are able to bring more issues to the public attention than a single centralized news source can. I think that's the danger of globalization; a lot of people don't read local news anymore.
  - TeMPOraL 10y ago
    Because that's globalization - for better or worse, your "local" neighbourhood is in fact (almost) the whole world.
chii 10y ago
Except that for every fuss kicked up, there's probably countless ones that feel through the front page and never saw the light of day. The process of calling out shitty behaviour should not have to involve popularity.
- jondubois 10y ago
  I think it captures what is happening with society. If you're not famous, then you have effectively no legal rights unless something REALLY REALLY bad happens to you. This is only going to get worse as the total number of violations by corporations increase and the media can no longer keep up with most of them - Only the most vile/blatant breaches will be punished. I can easily imagine that in 20 years, there will be so many breaches of the law by corporations that they will get away with it most of the time... Or if we're lucky and the legal system still works, large corporations will be forced to hire huge numbers of lawyers to be able to defend themselves from the constant stream of claims. I think that's because the economy has become so competitive that it's difficult for a company to turn a profit without committing lots of minor transgressions (their competitors are doing it). So the most profitable company ends up being the one which commits the most breaches and has the highest rate of success at getting cases against it thrown out of court.
  - vonklaus 10y ago
    Well, to some extent the OP is an edge case-- not every "little guy" gets his grievance any visibilty. However, twitter, reddit, HN, 4chan, and a blogs of all types make it possible to appeal to the public. 20 years ago the same thing occurred, but with less recourse. A company can have its image litigated in public and that can be good
    - chii 10y ago
      20 years ago, there's less surface area for which you could be grieved on by a bigger corporation. Today, where a lot of long tail exists within ecosystems (such as the various app stores), its much easier for a corp to do wrong, and not get punished as each individual infraction is much smaller, but occurr in larger numbers.
pikzen 10y ago
Start a shitstorm on HN, r/programming, eventually slashdot and hope it gets picked up by tech media to raise an even bigger shitstorm. Ad companies like Google and Facebook are much more afraid of bad PR than angry developers, and sadly that has become the only way to get them to react. Most developers are absolutely insignificant to them.
mschuster91 10y ago
> Its the same with google; Insert any other tech company here. Facebook, Twitter, Apple (Radar!)... they only react upon massive public outrage. Actual user support staffed with humans instead of autobots costs insane amounts of money, and this is why the mentioned companies don't have user support, with an exception for paid add-ons (e.g. ads, Google Apps for Enterprise, Apple Care).

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ohashi 10y ago

A complete shame, but this isn't new. This is the digital equivalent of call your local paper and kick up a fuss.

jondubois 10y ago
This is quite different because local newspapers are able to bring more issues to the public attention than a single centralized news source can. I think that's the danger of globalization; a lot of people don't read local news anymore.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  Because that's globalization - for better or worse, your "local" neighbourhood is in fact (almost) the whole world.

chii 10y ago

Except that for every fuss kicked up, there's probably countless ones that feel through the front page and never saw the light of day. The process of calling out shitty behaviour should not have to involve popularity.

jondubois 10y ago
I think it captures what is happening with society. If you're not famous, then you have effectively no legal rights unless something REALLY REALLY bad happens to you. This is only going to get worse as the total number of violations by corporations increase and the media can no longer keep up with most of them - Only the most vile/blatant breaches will be punished. I can easily imagine that in 20 years, there will be so many breaches of the law by corporations that they will get away with it most of the time... Or if we're lucky and the legal system still works, large corporations will be forced to hire huge numbers of lawyers to be able to defend themselves from the constant stream of claims. I think that's because the economy has become so competitive that it's difficult for a company to turn a profit without committing lots of minor transgressions (their competitors are doing it). So the most profitable company ends up being the one which commits the most breaches and has the highest rate of success at getting cases against it thrown out of court.
- vonklaus 10y ago
  Well, to some extent the OP is an edge case-- not every "little guy" gets his grievance any visibilty. However, twitter, reddit, HN, 4chan, and a blogs of all types make it possible to appeal to the public. 20 years ago the same thing occurred, but with less recourse. A company can have its image litigated in public and that can be good
  - chii 10y ago
    20 years ago, there's less surface area for which you could be grieved on by a bigger corporation. Today, where a lot of long tail exists within ecosystems (such as the various app stores), its much easier for a corp to do wrong, and not get punished as each individual infraction is much smaller, but occurr in larger numbers.

pikzen 10y ago

Start a shitstorm on HN, r/programming, eventually slashdot and hope it gets picked up by tech media to raise an even bigger shitstorm. Ad companies like Google and Facebook are much more afraid of bad PR than angry developers, and sadly that has become the only way to get them to react. Most developers are absolutely insignificant to them.

mschuster91 10y ago

> Its the same with google; Insert any other tech company here. Facebook, Twitter, Apple (Radar!)... they only react upon massive public outrage. Actual user support staffed with humans instead of autobots costs insane amounts of money, and this is why the mentioned companies don't have user support, with an exception for paid add-ons (e.g. ads, Google Apps for Enterprise, Apple Care).