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Right, because 500k women in the U.S. who have undergone actual genital mutilation, not a surgery with tangible benefits, are non-existent. There has not been

Right, because 500k women in the U.S. who have undergone actual genital mutilation, not a surgery with tangible benefits, are non-existent. There has not been a draft in 50 years. Privilege in courts has been shown to be bullshit time and time again. Men who attempt to receive custody of their children actually get them more than 50% of the time.

tomp 10y ago
Re: 1 and 2, parent was asking for laws. Also, there's no tangible benefits to circumcision in the US (if that's what you were implying). Re: 3, women also receive shorter sentences for same crimes (although the article doesn't mention it, and that's not an explicit legal disadvantage).
- nostrebored 10y ago
  1. is extremely ridiculous - reduced risk of cancer - reduced risk of STIs - no difference in sensitivity I'm at work and don't feel like googling in depth circumcision articles, but "genital integrity" is a ridiculous minimization of the issues faced by women who have actually had their genitals mutilated. If anyone wants to dig up the citations for me, I'd appreciate it. But, this isn't a circumjerk article, so this is as far down the chain as I'll go. You're misremembering your studies -- women who are sentenced to prison (for felonies) receive roughly the same prison sentences as men. They are however, significantly less likely to be sentenced. But, they are also significantly less likely to commit violent crimes, which you have to take into account in your analysis.
  - mpweiher 10y ago
    No, you are misremembering your studies. "Starr's research incorporates disparities found at those earlier stages, and finds that "more disparity is introduced at each phase of the justice process."" (my emphasis). https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_g...
    - nostrebored 10y ago
      New data seems to draw different conclusions [1], probably because the study you're linking to fails to take into account prior criminal history [2]. [1] http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/courts-lenient-sentencing-bond-women http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-j... [2] http://cjb.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/02/06/0093854814560624.abstract http://cjb.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/02/06/009385481456...
      - mpweiher 10y ago
        Reading helps: "After controlling for the arrest offense, criminal history, and other prior characteristics, "men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted." " Same link as before. My emphasis.
        nostrebored 10y ago
        Thanks for the tip, the actual studies cited by the article you link to state: "Pre-charge characteristics, including arrest offense and criminal history, can explain about 80% of these disparities" [1] 1. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377
        mpweiher 10y ago
        Reading really, really helps. Sigh. The study you linked is titled "Racial Disparity in Federal Criminal Charging and Its Sentencing Consequences", says so right at the top, you just have to read it. It is not the study talked about in the press-release I linked to. It is referenced in said press-release as the "previous study" that found racial disparities, which were found to be 6 times smaller than the gender disparities found in the study that the press release is about. Which is this one: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002
mpweiher 10y ago
I was drafted. There exist places outside the US.
mafribe 10y ago
There has not been a draft in 50 years. There are plenty of countries with draft. And in virtually all of them it's men that have to go, while women can relax.

tomp 10y ago

Re: 1 and 2, parent was asking for laws. Also, there's no tangible benefits to circumcision in the US (if that's what you were implying). Re: 3, women also receive shorter sentences for same crimes (although the article doesn't mention it, and that's not an explicit legal disadvantage).

nostrebored 10y ago
1. is extremely ridiculous - reduced risk of cancer - reduced risk of STIs - no difference in sensitivity I'm at work and don't feel like googling in depth circumcision articles, but "genital integrity" is a ridiculous minimization of the issues faced by women who have actually had their genitals mutilated. If anyone wants to dig up the citations for me, I'd appreciate it. But, this isn't a circumjerk article, so this is as far down the chain as I'll go. You're misremembering your studies -- women who are sentenced to prison (for felonies) receive roughly the same prison sentences as men. They are however, significantly less likely to be sentenced. But, they are also significantly less likely to commit violent crimes, which you have to take into account in your analysis.
- mpweiher 10y ago
  No, you are misremembering your studies. "Starr's research incorporates disparities found at those earlier stages, and finds that "more disparity is introduced at each phase of the justice process."" (my emphasis). https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_g...
  - nostrebored 10y ago
    New data seems to draw different conclusions [1], probably because the study you're linking to fails to take into account prior criminal history [2]. [1] http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/courts-lenient-sentencing-bond-women http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-j... [2] http://cjb.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/02/06/0093854814560624.abstract http://cjb.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/02/06/009385481456...
    - mpweiher 10y ago
      Reading helps: "After controlling for the arrest offense, criminal history, and other prior characteristics, "men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted." " Same link as before. My emphasis.
      - nostrebored 10y ago
        Thanks for the tip, the actual studies cited by the article you link to state: "Pre-charge characteristics, including arrest offense and criminal history, can explain about 80% of these disparities" [1] 1. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377
        mpweiher 10y ago
        Reading really, really helps. Sigh. The study you linked is titled "Racial Disparity in Federal Criminal Charging and Its Sentencing Consequences", says so right at the top, you just have to read it. It is not the study talked about in the press-release I linked to. It is referenced in said press-release as the "previous study" that found racial disparities, which were found to be 6 times smaller than the gender disparities found in the study that the press release is about. Which is this one: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002

mpweiher 10y ago

I was drafted. There exist places outside the US.

mafribe 10y ago

There has not been a draft in 50 years. There are plenty of countries with draft. And in virtually all of them it's men that have to go, while women can relax.