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This is a very weird definition of "proof". A much more accurate headline might be "Apple responds to Dash controversy by insisting they were right all along a
by Lazare 10y ago
This is a very weird definition of "proof".
A much more accurate headline might be "Apple responds to Dash controversy by insisting they were right all along and refusing to provide proof."
Edit: The tone of the entire article rubs me the wrong way; it reads like a press release that nobody could be bothered to re-write.
> The integrity of the App Store is as important to Apple as it is to consumers.
Citation needed? Plus it immediately follows an unsubstantiated claim that Apple has been ignoring evidence of review manipulation for two years, so even if we take the article at face value...that doesn't sound like they think it's important?
> This is part of the reason we trust Apple and the App Store.
That's the most circular argument. "We trust Apple because they claim they're trustworthy!"
- threeseed 10y agoIt seems like Apple was very reluctant to remove the account given the Dash is the sort of app they want people to make. So I am not surprised they gave a lot of leeway to the developer.
- jwilcoxson 10y agoUnfortunately The Loop isn't much of a news site, more of a controlled Apple leak blog. Dalrymple has gotten to the point of being a complete Apple shill. Edit: Compare the tone of the Loop article to Daring Fireballs: http://daringfireball.net/2016/10/apple_dash_controversy http://daringfireball.net/2016/10/apple_dash_controversy Gruber takes a much more unbiased approach, supported well. The Loop article reads like a statement from the Principal read by your teacher.
- stouset 10y agoI'd like to think we can keep personal attacks like this off of HN without some sort of substantiation.
- ixtli 10y agoHow is this a personal attack? It simply acknowledges that both of these websites are written by individuals. Would the substance of the comment be different had he simply used the website's names?
- MBCook 10y agoCalling someone a shill is a personal attack.
- ixtli 10y agoWhat is the appropriate phrasing, then? "This website is a surrogate for apple that posts their press releases without analysis?" I just don't see what the practical difference is: we're all adults, we know the point that's trying to be made.
- coldtea 10y agoTranslation: he likes Apple products and is open about it, whereas I don't.
- thenipper 10y agoI love apple products, have for 31 years but the guy is pretty biased towards Apple. He writes some interesting stuff but this article for instance is basically just repeating back whatever their PR flack said.
- coldtea 10y agoAnd what if he believes it? I have little reason to doubt that Dash really posted lots of fake reviews. It's not like Apple goes and accuses people of that all the time...
- bangonkeyboard 10y ago> And what if he believes it? So what if he does? I believe it. That doesn't mean that Apple has provided any actual proof, and only a blinkered shill would claim they had.
- skciva 10y agoI have yet to work for a company where posting fake reviews on our applications wasn't the norm. Most users (myself included) can't be bothered to write a brand new review every time an app updates.
- coldtea 10y agoAnd I've yet to not give up a product if I spot fake reviews -- and it's not that hard either...
- Steko 10y agoI seem to remember him slamming Apple Music for weeks on end. Is that how paid shills behave nowadays?
- Mithaldu 10y agoAnd here's Kapeli's explanation of what happened: https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-and-apple-my-side-of-the-story https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-and-apple-my-side-of-the-story !!! it includes a recording of a phone call with Apple !!! Edit: After listening to the first 2 minutes of the call, i can say with absolute confidence that Apple is straight-up blackmailing him. I would love to hear opinions on whether this is something that could be taken to court. Here's the HN submission of the link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12680597 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12680597
- jwilcoxson 10y agoGets popcorn
- mrkbxt 10y agowiretapping apple? yeah, good move.
- jwilcoxson 10y agoCall recording != wire tapping. Not that Apple will take kindly to it either way...
- snowpanda 10y agoCall recording is not illegal in every state.
- Crosseye_Jack 10y agoIsn't Kapeli from Romania? In which case - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#Romania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#Roman...
- BradRuderman 10y agoI believe it is in California without their permission, not 100% sure.
- whywhywhywhy 10y agoYou know it's bad when Gruber's blog is being held up as a less biased alternative. He's been so soft on them lately on anything except the Watch, even then he's been pretty soft.