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The entire book is bogus. About 1/3 of the wikipedia article is dedicated to the criticisms of the book, and they seem pretty damning. http://en.wikipedia.org/

The entire book is bogus. About 1/3 of the wikipedia article is dedicated to the criticisms of the book, and they seem pretty damning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations#Criticism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations#Cr...

kingkongrevenge 19y ago
A Farewell to Alms [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/science/07indu.html?_r=1&oref=slogin http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/science/07indu.html?_r=1&#...] covers similar territory, and its data is very thorough. I haven't seen any refutations. Of relevance to this forum are the findings on entrepreneurship in the industrial revolution. The people who built the companies and science that made it possible and greatly elevated Britain never made anywhere near enough to compensate their investments of time and money. They were irrational actors. Clark argues they acted this way because of genetic predisposition -- a predisposition that was not widespread in other societies.
- procrastitron 19y ago
  Well, I haven't read the book, but the article that you point to seems to indicate that "A Farewell to Alms" actually makes the opposite point: 'What was being inherited, in his view, was not greater intelligence — being a hunter in a foraging society requires considerably greater skill than the repetitive actions of an agricultural laborer. Rather, it was “a repertoire of skills and dispositions that were very different from those of the pre-agrarian world.” Also, the article points out that many people are skeptical of his view that the behavioral changes have biological causes and not just cultural. For instance: 'The natural-selection part of Dr. Clark’s argument “is significantly weaker, and maybe just not necessary, if you can trace the changes in the institutions,” said Kenneth L. Pomeranz, a historian at the University of California, Irvine.
  - kingkongrevenge 19y ago
    > actually makes the opposite point It's a related theory, not the same bit on IQ and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. > biological causes and not just cultural I know I mentioned the word "genetic", but really all that matters is we're talking about a set of heritable traits; nature vs nurture is kind of moot. That we're talking about something heritable is detailed in the book.
- bocajuniors 19y ago
  wouldn't most people in our society act quite different from how they act today if expected lifespan was 35-40 years instead of 75-85?
  - kingkongrevenge 19y ago
    > expected lifespan was 35-40 years This is a bit of a myth. Very high childhood and teen mortality brought average lifespan down, but once you were 20 making it to 65 was not rare at all. In places like America where plenty of good food was affordable old age was fairly common. Take a walk through an old cemetery and see for yourself.
    - bocajuniors 19y ago
      i have to swim over an ocean to do that, but i do think that for a long time after the transformation from hunter/gatherering to farming a lifespan of 65 was quite rare.and a leap from hunter/gathering to industrialization is a lot to ask(: if their chances of being 65 had been that great here in europe do you really think they would have taken their chances in those ships(to reach america)?

kingkongrevenge 19y ago

A Farewell to Alms [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/science/07indu.html?_r=1&oref=slogin http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/science/07indu.html?_r=1&#...] covers similar territory, and its data is very thorough. I haven't seen any refutations. Of relevance to this forum are the findings on entrepreneurship in the industrial revolution. The people who built the companies and science that made it possible and greatly elevated Britain never made anywhere near enough to compensate their investments of time and money. They were irrational actors. Clark argues they acted this way because of genetic predisposition -- a predisposition that was not widespread in other societies.

procrastitron 19y ago
Well, I haven't read the book, but the article that you point to seems to indicate that "A Farewell to Alms" actually makes the opposite point: 'What was being inherited, in his view, was not greater intelligence — being a hunter in a foraging society requires considerably greater skill than the repetitive actions of an agricultural laborer. Rather, it was “a repertoire of skills and dispositions that were very different from those of the pre-agrarian world.” Also, the article points out that many people are skeptical of his view that the behavioral changes have biological causes and not just cultural. For instance: 'The natural-selection part of Dr. Clark’s argument “is significantly weaker, and maybe just not necessary, if you can trace the changes in the institutions,” said Kenneth L. Pomeranz, a historian at the University of California, Irvine.
- kingkongrevenge 19y ago
  > actually makes the opposite point It's a related theory, not the same bit on IQ and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. > biological causes and not just cultural I know I mentioned the word "genetic", but really all that matters is we're talking about a set of heritable traits; nature vs nurture is kind of moot. That we're talking about something heritable is detailed in the book.
bocajuniors 19y ago
wouldn't most people in our society act quite different from how they act today if expected lifespan was 35-40 years instead of 75-85?
- kingkongrevenge 19y ago
  > expected lifespan was 35-40 years This is a bit of a myth. Very high childhood and teen mortality brought average lifespan down, but once you were 20 making it to 65 was not rare at all. In places like America where plenty of good food was affordable old age was fairly common. Take a walk through an old cemetery and see for yourself.
  - bocajuniors 19y ago
    i have to swim over an ocean to do that, but i do think that for a long time after the transformation from hunter/gatherering to farming a lifespan of 65 was quite rare.and a leap from hunter/gathering to industrialization is a lot to ask(: if their chances of being 65 had been that great here in europe do you really think they would have taken their chances in those ships(to reach america)?