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I don't get the negativity. This is kinda awesome! News feeds will be good to monitor what's going on across many groups / teams, groups can help your team post

I don't get the negativity. This is kinda awesome! News feeds will be good to monitor what's going on across many groups / teams, groups can help your team post and communicate across various topics (same with messaging). Honestly the live video streams on demand is kinda huge; this isn't always something easy for companies to do especially large companies but Facebook can pull this off and make it look great for thousands of users. Overall this seems like a great tool for a workplace. Trouble is it has to compete with Slack and, arguably, things like Confluence.

gjolund 10y ago
The last place I want to have work related conversations stored is FB servers.
- Pamar 10y ago
  I work in an European company. I doubt this will get any traction outside of US.
  - cheriot 10y ago
    It was made in London. At least until someone triggers article 50 it's more European than American :) More to your point, the article mentions getting the privacy/security certifications that companies look for. And if you're paying for the product, there's not the privacy concerns as when you are the product, etc. I'm actually impressed with this thing so far.
    - Pamar 10y ago
      I am in Germany. The NSA debacle made a lot of important people quite unhappy here, not to mention the current tensions between DBank & DOJ and so on... - so I am afraid we would interpret this a bit like Apple's labels, except in this case we would read: Designed in NSA - Made in UK.
      - cheriot 10y ago
        Is there an IT angle on the DBank/DOJ story or is this just anti-USA?
        Pamar 10y ago
        Some have interpreted the DOJ fine to be a sort of retaliation for fines applied by EU to Apple/Google (especially the first for the Ireland tax rebates). I have no particular authority in saying if this is actually the case or not, but my feeling is that in Europe (and especially in Germany) there will be a lot of resistance towards Facebook solutions (the recent Whatsapp decision to share data with the parent company is another thing that did not sit well here, for example).
  - pmlnr 10y ago
    I work for a European company - unfortunately owned by a US holding. We're already using it. This, unfortunately, might get traction here as well.
  - soft_dev_person 10y ago
    Norway is one of the major beta markets and full of early adopters. Though some of the companies among them likely just want to be one of the cool kids.
  - pinaceae 10y ago
    https://workplace.fb.com/stories/#europe https://workplace.fb.com/stories/#europe really?
- notyourwork 10y ago
  I don't understand your concern. Could you expand here?
  - gjolund 10y ago
    Are you serious? Take 5 minutes to think about it and see of you can't come up with a couple reasons.
    - notyourwork 10y ago
      Yes I am serious. You providing no context isn't helpful either, thanks.
  - EliRivers 10y ago
    I, your competitor, will pay FB for your conversations. I expect we can work out a way to do it that isn't so brazen.
    - BinaryIdiot 10y ago
      But if that's possible in any way FaceBook and the company paying would be subject to breaking many corporate espionage laws in addition to destroying FaceBook's enterprise business IN ITS ENTIRETY should it be found out. Seems like an insane amount of risk for such a very tiny reward.
      - notyourwork 10y ago
        This is exactly why I don't see how a company would be concerned. Lots of b2b relationships exist and are based on trust with legal ramifications for when that trust is broken.
      - nickpsecurity 10y ago
        Yet, each of the major carriers and RSA did it for the NSA in exchange for $30-(80?) million. Happened at plenty of other companies with or without nation state involvement. The big ones are still in business. Besides, what does the EULA say on the product? Their EULA usually says something along the lines of they can do whatever they want with your data. I'm interested to see if anyone sees something similar in the enterprise agreement.
- BinaryIdiot 10y ago
  Because you'd rather your work related conversations stored in Slack? Google Hangouts? Skype? GoToMeeting? There are not very many on prem solutions that are very good, so do you not use any of them or is it specifically against Facebook and if the latter why so?
  - losteric 10y ago
    Well my company uses Mattermost in place of slack... on premise, open source, and free.
    - mcmoose75 10y ago
      It's also not very good- both the desktop and iOS clients (that I use) are horribly slow to load, clunky, and require multiple (laggy) clicks just to get to a notification of a message. I'd much rather pay for something else, on-prem and open source be damned.
      - it33 10y ago
        Hi @mcmoose75, highly appreciate the feedback. Our open source community is always looking to improve and all feedback helps. May I ask how your experience was on the web with Mattermost? Regarding mobile performance, may I also ask what iPhone model and network speed you're using? We publish mobile benchmarks, and I'm just wondering if your results are the same or different: https://docs.mattermost.com/deployment/push.html#mobile-performance-benchmarks https://docs.mattermost.com/deployment/push.html#mobile-perf... The Mattermost iOS app works best on a fast connection. To accommodate slow connections, we're adding React Native (same technology as Facebook) to get competitive with Facebook's iOS app performance over time. Here's the new Mattermost iOS app roadmap and backlog: http://forum.mattermost.org/t/react-native-roadmap/2339 http://forum.mattermost.org/t/react-native-roadmap/2339 Regarding the Mattermost desktop apps, on September 30 we had one of our largest product update addressing user issues. Here's the changelog: https://docs.mattermost.com/help/apps/desktop-changelog.html https://docs.mattermost.com/help/apps/desktop-changelog.html Latest versions now available for download: http://about.mattermost.com/download/ http://about.mattermost.com/download/ Overall, we created an open source, self-hosted alternative to proprietary SaaS communication for organizations that want to minimize security, lock-in, and privacy risks. We're constantly improving, thanks to hundreds of people around the world contributing to the project. Whatever issue you're experiencing, please consider nominating an improvement to help us get to where you want us to be? https://www.mattermost.org/feature-ideas/ https://www.mattermost.org/feature-ideas/
- baby 10y ago
  If you're doing anything sensitive obviously this is not a product targeting your company. I don't see what ranting about this will accomplish. Like you my company won't use it for privacy issue (we're dealing with sensitive things), but I still find that awesome.
meira 10y ago
Microsoft, Google and Facebook are totally Lost haha. They seem to be converging to the same point, all of them as laggards.
- pmlnr 10y ago
  I see this as an interesting circle of life, which is yet to reach hardware manufacturers: the fact the real, reliable money can only come from businesses. The money - and the attention - of the generic population is momentary.
M_Grey 10y ago
I think people have largely gotten the message that companies which thrive on collecting and selling user data, are poison to be avoided at all costs.
- lunula 10y ago
  But that message has translated to precisely zero actual change in habit.
  - M_Grey 10y ago
    Have you seen how many people use ad blockers? I'm finding people on Reddit and Imgur who talk about using NoScript and uMatrix! People are learning, but as with all things, it takes time.
ohnomrbill 10y ago
I try very hard to separate my work life and personal life. This would make me do one of two things: - Stop using facebook for personal purposes and treat it like a more featureful LinkedIn - Quit my job and find another which doesn't require me to give work information to a company which has a trove of my personal information
- j2bax 10y ago
  This is a completely separate account not tied to your personal Facebook account.
  - Aco- 10y ago
    if you think for one minute that FB isn't going to be able to link this back to your personal FB account you're a fool
    - j2bax 10y ago
      While I appreciate being informed what does or doesn't make me a fool by internet strangers, I don't think that was the concern of the parent post. I believe their concern was that they would be seeing work related content popup while they were on their personal Facebook account thus mixing work/personal life. I think the point of making it a completely separate account is to ease companies fears of users getting sucked into the endless scroll vortex while at work, and I would doubt they'd be jumping you back and forth and showing you notifications from personal/work Facebook when logged into either service. It would also be an obvious security/privacy issue if project info was popping up in users personal notifications. Whether or not they are going to link the accounts on the backend for their data mining purposes, was not the intent or subject I was addressing/speculating about.
      - ohnomrbill 10y ago
        Nope, the concern of the parent post was that they would link my work and personal profiles behind the scenes. I don't want to see work-related content pop up, but it's a secondary concern. I don't want Facebook to know what I do both when I'm at work and when I'm on personal time, because I don't trust their company.

gjolund 10y ago

The last place I want to have work related conversations stored is FB servers.

Pamar 10y ago
I work in an European company. I doubt this will get any traction outside of US.
- cheriot 10y ago
  It was made in London. At least until someone triggers article 50 it's more European than American :) More to your point, the article mentions getting the privacy/security certifications that companies look for. And if you're paying for the product, there's not the privacy concerns as when you are the product, etc. I'm actually impressed with this thing so far.
  - Pamar 10y ago
    I am in Germany. The NSA debacle made a lot of important people quite unhappy here, not to mention the current tensions between DBank & DOJ and so on... - so I am afraid we would interpret this a bit like Apple's labels, except in this case we would read: Designed in NSA - Made in UK.
    - cheriot 10y ago
      Is there an IT angle on the DBank/DOJ story or is this just anti-USA?
      - Pamar 10y ago
        Some have interpreted the DOJ fine to be a sort of retaliation for fines applied by EU to Apple/Google (especially the first for the Ireland tax rebates). I have no particular authority in saying if this is actually the case or not, but my feeling is that in Europe (and especially in Germany) there will be a lot of resistance towards Facebook solutions (the recent Whatsapp decision to share data with the parent company is another thing that did not sit well here, for example).
- pmlnr 10y ago
  I work for a European company - unfortunately owned by a US holding. We're already using it. This, unfortunately, might get traction here as well.
- soft_dev_person 10y ago
  Norway is one of the major beta markets and full of early adopters. Though some of the companies among them likely just want to be one of the cool kids.
- pinaceae 10y ago
  https://workplace.fb.com/stories/#europe https://workplace.fb.com/stories/#europe really?
notyourwork 10y ago
I don't understand your concern. Could you expand here?
- gjolund 10y ago
  Are you serious? Take 5 minutes to think about it and see of you can't come up with a couple reasons.
  - notyourwork 10y ago
    Yes I am serious. You providing no context isn't helpful either, thanks.
- EliRivers 10y ago
  I, your competitor, will pay FB for your conversations. I expect we can work out a way to do it that isn't so brazen.
  - BinaryIdiot 10y ago
    But if that's possible in any way FaceBook and the company paying would be subject to breaking many corporate espionage laws in addition to destroying FaceBook's enterprise business IN ITS ENTIRETY should it be found out. Seems like an insane amount of risk for such a very tiny reward.
    - notyourwork 10y ago
      This is exactly why I don't see how a company would be concerned. Lots of b2b relationships exist and are based on trust with legal ramifications for when that trust is broken.
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      Yet, each of the major carriers and RSA did it for the NSA in exchange for $30-(80?) million. Happened at plenty of other companies with or without nation state involvement. The big ones are still in business. Besides, what does the EULA say on the product? Their EULA usually says something along the lines of they can do whatever they want with your data. I'm interested to see if anyone sees something similar in the enterprise agreement.
BinaryIdiot 10y ago
Because you'd rather your work related conversations stored in Slack? Google Hangouts? Skype? GoToMeeting? There are not very many on prem solutions that are very good, so do you not use any of them or is it specifically against Facebook and if the latter why so?
- losteric 10y ago
  Well my company uses Mattermost in place of slack... on premise, open source, and free.
  - mcmoose75 10y ago
    It's also not very good- both the desktop and iOS clients (that I use) are horribly slow to load, clunky, and require multiple (laggy) clicks just to get to a notification of a message. I'd much rather pay for something else, on-prem and open source be damned.
    - it33 10y ago
      Hi @mcmoose75, highly appreciate the feedback. Our open source community is always looking to improve and all feedback helps. May I ask how your experience was on the web with Mattermost? Regarding mobile performance, may I also ask what iPhone model and network speed you're using? We publish mobile benchmarks, and I'm just wondering if your results are the same or different: https://docs.mattermost.com/deployment/push.html#mobile-performance-benchmarks https://docs.mattermost.com/deployment/push.html#mobile-perf... The Mattermost iOS app works best on a fast connection. To accommodate slow connections, we're adding React Native (same technology as Facebook) to get competitive with Facebook's iOS app performance over time. Here's the new Mattermost iOS app roadmap and backlog: http://forum.mattermost.org/t/react-native-roadmap/2339 http://forum.mattermost.org/t/react-native-roadmap/2339 Regarding the Mattermost desktop apps, on September 30 we had one of our largest product update addressing user issues. Here's the changelog: https://docs.mattermost.com/help/apps/desktop-changelog.html https://docs.mattermost.com/help/apps/desktop-changelog.html Latest versions now available for download: http://about.mattermost.com/download/ http://about.mattermost.com/download/ Overall, we created an open source, self-hosted alternative to proprietary SaaS communication for organizations that want to minimize security, lock-in, and privacy risks. We're constantly improving, thanks to hundreds of people around the world contributing to the project. Whatever issue you're experiencing, please consider nominating an improvement to help us get to where you want us to be? https://www.mattermost.org/feature-ideas/ https://www.mattermost.org/feature-ideas/
baby 10y ago
If you're doing anything sensitive obviously this is not a product targeting your company. I don't see what ranting about this will accomplish. Like you my company won't use it for privacy issue (we're dealing with sensitive things), but I still find that awesome.

meira 10y ago

Microsoft, Google and Facebook are totally Lost haha. They seem to be converging to the same point, all of them as laggards.

pmlnr 10y ago
I see this as an interesting circle of life, which is yet to reach hardware manufacturers: the fact the real, reliable money can only come from businesses. The money - and the attention - of the generic population is momentary.

M_Grey 10y ago

I think people have largely gotten the message that companies which thrive on collecting and selling user data, are poison to be avoided at all costs.

lunula 10y ago
But that message has translated to precisely zero actual change in habit.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  Have you seen how many people use ad blockers? I'm finding people on Reddit and Imgur who talk about using NoScript and uMatrix! People are learning, but as with all things, it takes time.

ohnomrbill 10y ago

I try very hard to separate my work life and personal life. This would make me do one of two things: - Stop using facebook for personal purposes and treat it like a more featureful LinkedIn - Quit my job and find another which doesn't require me to give work information to a company which has a trove of my personal information

j2bax 10y ago
This is a completely separate account not tied to your personal Facebook account.
- Aco- 10y ago
  if you think for one minute that FB isn't going to be able to link this back to your personal FB account you're a fool
  - j2bax 10y ago
    While I appreciate being informed what does or doesn't make me a fool by internet strangers, I don't think that was the concern of the parent post. I believe their concern was that they would be seeing work related content popup while they were on their personal Facebook account thus mixing work/personal life. I think the point of making it a completely separate account is to ease companies fears of users getting sucked into the endless scroll vortex while at work, and I would doubt they'd be jumping you back and forth and showing you notifications from personal/work Facebook when logged into either service. It would also be an obvious security/privacy issue if project info was popping up in users personal notifications. Whether or not they are going to link the accounts on the backend for their data mining purposes, was not the intent or subject I was addressing/speculating about.
    - ohnomrbill 10y ago
      Nope, the concern of the parent post was that they would link my work and personal profiles behind the scenes. I don't want to see work-related content pop up, but it's a secondary concern. I don't want Facebook to know what I do both when I'm at work and when I'm on personal time, because I don't trust their company.