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Its other niche is easy to deploy replication and sharding that actually works, actually scales, and does not lose data.

by api 10y ago

thesmallestcat 10y ago
Pretty much anybody can appreciate that, right? Not just the "deep thinking people"?
ericd 10y ago
I've never seen that in any db I've worked with. If that's true, that's pretty huge.
- williamstein 10y ago
  It is true. It was NOT true a year ago, but it is now. I pushed it hard, Aphyr pushed it hard, and the RethinkDB team worked very hard addressing every issue we found. That's why RethinkDB failing is so tragic.
  - api 10y ago
    Yeah it feels like they died right after getting everything right.
  - ericd 10y ago
    Damn, I'm simultaneously excited and sad now. I hope it survives as open source so I can use it for my next project.
- tlarkworthy 10y ago
  Firebase works like that. The polling of databases is a really obvious limitation of existing databases once you see the alternative. (I work at Firebase)
  - bjt 10y ago
    Has Firebase been through Aphyr's Jepsen tests?
    - pritambaral 10y ago
      Seeing as how Aphyr can't deploy his own instances of Firebase to simulate network partitions, I don't think it has.
  - dsl 10y ago
    I searched and searched, but I couldn't find a download link on Firebase.com. Help?
    - williamstein 10y ago
      I think Firebase is a closed source program that can only be used via "the cloud", i.e., via a web application. It's not something you can run yourself. In contrast, RethinkDB+Horizon would have soon provided similar functionality to Firebase, but with the option of self hosting.
  - tiglionabbit 10y ago
    Well it's easy to shard when you don't support joins or foreign key constraints. Btw, as a person who works on Firebase, perhaps you can answer this question that has been bothering me about it. There's no way to model a foreign key relationship that's traversable in both ways without trusting the client application to update both directions, right? Isn't that a bit of a dealbreaker for anything other than a toy app? I would assume if you wanted to make something that's actually reliable, you'd have to run all your mutations through your own personal server instead of letting clients mutate Firebase directly, right?
    - williamstein 10y ago
      [edit: this is an irrelevant remark] RethinkDB supports joins: https://www.rethinkdb.com/docs/table-joins/ https://www.rethinkdb.com/docs/table-joins/ "Like many traditional database systems, RethinkDB supports JOIN commands to combine data from multiple tables. In RethinkDB joins are automatically distributed—a join command is automatically sent to the appropriate nodes across the cluster, the relevant data is combined, and the final result is presented to the user."
karlgrz 10y ago
Concur. We've been running a small cluster for about a year and we've had the same experience thus far.

Its other niche is easy to deploy replication and sharding that actually works, actually scales, and does not lose data.

by api 10y ago

Its other niche is easy to deploy replication and sharding that actually works, actually scales, and does not lose data.

thesmallestcat 10y ago

Pretty much anybody can appreciate that, right? Not just the "deep thinking people"?

ericd 10y ago

I've never seen that in any db I've worked with. If that's true, that's pretty huge.

williamstein 10y ago
It is true. It was NOT true a year ago, but it is now. I pushed it hard, Aphyr pushed it hard, and the RethinkDB team worked very hard addressing every issue we found. That's why RethinkDB failing is so tragic.
- api 10y ago
  Yeah it feels like they died right after getting everything right.
- ericd 10y ago
  Damn, I'm simultaneously excited and sad now. I hope it survives as open source so I can use it for my next project.
tlarkworthy 10y ago
Firebase works like that. The polling of databases is a really obvious limitation of existing databases once you see the alternative. (I work at Firebase)
- bjt 10y ago
  Has Firebase been through Aphyr's Jepsen tests?
  - pritambaral 10y ago
    Seeing as how Aphyr can't deploy his own instances of Firebase to simulate network partitions, I don't think it has.
- dsl 10y ago
  I searched and searched, but I couldn't find a download link on Firebase.com. Help?
  - williamstein 10y ago
    I think Firebase is a closed source program that can only be used via "the cloud", i.e., via a web application. It's not something you can run yourself. In contrast, RethinkDB+Horizon would have soon provided similar functionality to Firebase, but with the option of self hosting.
- tiglionabbit 10y ago
  Well it's easy to shard when you don't support joins or foreign key constraints. Btw, as a person who works on Firebase, perhaps you can answer this question that has been bothering me about it. There's no way to model a foreign key relationship that's traversable in both ways without trusting the client application to update both directions, right? Isn't that a bit of a dealbreaker for anything other than a toy app? I would assume if you wanted to make something that's actually reliable, you'd have to run all your mutations through your own personal server instead of letting clients mutate Firebase directly, right?
  - williamstein 10y ago
    [edit: this is an irrelevant remark] RethinkDB supports joins: https://www.rethinkdb.com/docs/table-joins/ https://www.rethinkdb.com/docs/table-joins/ "Like many traditional database systems, RethinkDB supports JOIN commands to combine data from multiple tables. In RethinkDB joins are automatically distributed—a join command is automatically sent to the appropriate nodes across the cluster, the relevant data is combined, and the final result is presented to the user."

karlgrz 10y ago

Concur. We've been running a small cluster for about a year and we've had the same experience thus far.