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Currently in the UK there is some controversy about human rights legislation and it being used inappropriately. I think human rights legislation is fundamental

Currently in the UK there is some controversy about human rights legislation and it being used inappropriately. I think human rights legislation is fundamental. As such I really, really hope no-one ever uses it for something like this, even worse to win a case. It demeans it to use it to save someone having to write a bit extra code to have their commercial application sell better in China.

NicoJuicy 10y ago
I understand your point of view and you are probably right. But to my opinion, everyone here knows Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it. PS. General public/buyers don't know and i already changed from iOS, because "add to homescreen" doesn't work as well as on Android
- kbart 10y ago
  "Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it." Sure we can! Vote with your wallet and don't buy Apple's products. Or at least write a complaint to one of their support centers..
  - Svenskunganka 10y ago
    The problem is that this approach is perfectly fine when it comes to us programmers or more technical people, but for "normal" users this approach won't work, simply because they don't know the possibilities an up-to-standards iOS Safari would bring. There's a saying; "What you don't know can't hurt you", and that can be applied for these users - whom make up the majority of iOS device users - since they don't know what they're missing out on. While you and me on the other hand knows what we're missing out on, both as programmers and users, we at least have the chance to vote with our wallets. I do, perhaps even you do, but as you can clearly see it's still not enough to even make a dent in Apple iOS device sales.
    - paulcole 10y ago
      >they don't know the possibilities an up-to-standards iOS Safari would bring. To be fair, they also don't care at all.
- marcosdumay 10y ago
  > there is almost nothing we can do about it. Don't buy their devices. Apple is not a government that can coerce you into submission.
  - estefan 10y ago
    I was waiting for this timeless - and useless - HN riposte.
  - captainmuon 10y ago
    If I put on my naïve glasses for a moment: Apple has a monopoly on iOS devices. There is no competition. And if somebody would built a better or freer iOS device, Apple would use the full force of the state to stop them. So, in a very narrow fashion, Apple does use their government-granted rights to coerce you to buy it's devices, if you want an iOS one. Of course, nowadays Android devices are more than adequate replacements for many users, so most people do have the option to buy outside of the Apple world, as you suggest.
    - aljones 10y ago
      Apple has a monopoly on Apple branded devices. Well, ok.
    - marcosdumay 10y ago
      > Apple has a monopoly on iOS devices. And if you were complaining as a developer, that wants to distribute your software around, you'd have a point. But the GP is complaining as a user, that has complete freedom to choose the phone he is buying. He just want the shinning locked-up one, but don't want the consequences of the locking-up. He has all the right in the world to complain about it, but if he won't do anything about it, why would anybody care to listen?
    - briandear 10y ago
      McDonalds has a monopoly on McDonalds's hamburgers too.
      - 10y ago
- stephenr 10y ago
  > everyone here I think we have different definitions for "everyone".

NicoJuicy 10y ago

I understand your point of view and you are probably right. But to my opinion, everyone here knows Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it. PS. General public/buyers don't know and i already changed from iOS, because "add to homescreen" doesn't work as well as on Android

kbart 10y ago
"Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it." Sure we can! Vote with your wallet and don't buy Apple's products. Or at least write a complaint to one of their support centers..
- Svenskunganka 10y ago
  The problem is that this approach is perfectly fine when it comes to us programmers or more technical people, but for "normal" users this approach won't work, simply because they don't know the possibilities an up-to-standards iOS Safari would bring. There's a saying; "What you don't know can't hurt you", and that can be applied for these users - whom make up the majority of iOS device users - since they don't know what they're missing out on. While you and me on the other hand knows what we're missing out on, both as programmers and users, we at least have the chance to vote with our wallets. I do, perhaps even you do, but as you can clearly see it's still not enough to even make a dent in Apple iOS device sales.
  - paulcole 10y ago
    >they don't know the possibilities an up-to-standards iOS Safari would bring. To be fair, they also don't care at all.
marcosdumay 10y ago
> there is almost nothing we can do about it. Don't buy their devices. Apple is not a government that can coerce you into submission.
- estefan 10y ago
  I was waiting for this timeless - and useless - HN riposte.
- captainmuon 10y ago
  If I put on my naïve glasses for a moment: Apple has a monopoly on iOS devices. There is no competition. And if somebody would built a better or freer iOS device, Apple would use the full force of the state to stop them. So, in a very narrow fashion, Apple does use their government-granted rights to coerce you to buy it's devices, if you want an iOS one. Of course, nowadays Android devices are more than adequate replacements for many users, so most people do have the option to buy outside of the Apple world, as you suggest.
  - aljones 10y ago
    Apple has a monopoly on Apple branded devices. Well, ok.
  - marcosdumay 10y ago
    > Apple has a monopoly on iOS devices. And if you were complaining as a developer, that wants to distribute your software around, you'd have a point. But the GP is complaining as a user, that has complete freedom to choose the phone he is buying. He just want the shinning locked-up one, but don't want the consequences of the locking-up. He has all the right in the world to complain about it, but if he won't do anything about it, why would anybody care to listen?
  - briandear 10y ago
    McDonalds has a monopoly on McDonalds's hamburgers too.
    - 10y ago
stephenr 10y ago
> everyone here I think we have different definitions for "everyone".