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This sounds more like a moral judgement. Labor is labor, you don't get to redefine labor just because it involves an action which is very controversial. What r

by suneilp 10y ago

This sounds more like a moral judgement. Labor is labor, you don't get to redefine labor just because it involves an action which is very controversial. What really matters is the safety of the person(s) involved. And yet, there are plenty of occupations where safety is in question.

empthought 10y ago
It is precisely a moral judgement. Moral judgements are a human responsibility. The question is whether or not we want to be a society that views people's bodies and sexual access to them as a commodity to be bought and sold. I find it baffling that anyone would laud this condition after giving it a few moments of compassionate reflection.
- cwillu 10y ago
  Consider the possibility that a few moments of compassionate reflection have lead Alice to conclude that when Bob says he loves what he does, it's not because Mallory is forcing him to say that. It's all well and good to say that it's against your own morals, but as soon as you start defending that on the basis of the consequences, you're conceding the "but it's just morally wrong!" argument. And in general, we (okay, at least I, as I can believe that you wouldn't necessarily agree here) laud societies that have transitioned from deontological to consequentialist ethics.
  - empthought 10y ago
    So one happy prostitute is worth a thousand unhappy prostitutes, gotcha.
    - cwillu 10y ago
      [Sorry, ninja edited underneath you.] And all the more if it's a billion prostitutes in an eternity of misery supported by a malevolent AI! Alternatively, Alice could consider the possibility that Bob is not, in fact, an idiot.
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  - empthought 10y ago
    > And in general, we (okay, at least I, as I can believe that you wouldn't necessarily agree here) laud societies that have transitioned from deontological to consequentialist ethics. If you want to get all academic about it, I am coming from a position of virtue ethics, which is why I am focused on the vicious men who purchase sex, and to a lesser extent other people who are explicitly or implicitly defending those men's actions.

by suneilp 10y ago

empthought 10y ago

It is precisely a moral judgement. Moral judgements are a human responsibility. The question is whether or not we want to be a society that views people's bodies and sexual access to them as a commodity to be bought and sold. I find it baffling that anyone would laud this condition after giving it a few moments of compassionate reflection.

cwillu 10y ago
Consider the possibility that a few moments of compassionate reflection have lead Alice to conclude that when Bob says he loves what he does, it's not because Mallory is forcing him to say that. It's all well and good to say that it's against your own morals, but as soon as you start defending that on the basis of the consequences, you're conceding the "but it's just morally wrong!" argument. And in general, we (okay, at least I, as I can believe that you wouldn't necessarily agree here) laud societies that have transitioned from deontological to consequentialist ethics.
- empthought 10y ago
  So one happy prostitute is worth a thousand unhappy prostitutes, gotcha.
  - cwillu 10y ago
    [Sorry, ninja edited underneath you.] And all the more if it's a billion prostitutes in an eternity of misery supported by a malevolent AI! Alternatively, Alice could consider the possibility that Bob is not, in fact, an idiot.
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- empthought 10y ago
  > And in general, we (okay, at least I, as I can believe that you wouldn't necessarily agree here) laud societies that have transitioned from deontological to consequentialist ethics. If you want to get all academic about it, I am coming from a position of virtue ethics, which is why I am focused on the vicious men who purchase sex, and to a lesser extent other people who are explicitly or implicitly defending those men's actions.