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This is an awful position, and I absolutely urge people to read the linked article, that was wrongly/partially cited: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/se

by mrpopo 10y ago

This is an awful position, and I absolutely urge people to read the linked article, that was wrongly/partially cited: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/boycott-of-womens-world-chess-championship-iran-tehran https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/boycott-of-wom... EDIT: it seems my point does not come across. I will cite the american chess champion: "I will NOT wear a hijab and support women’s oppression." Women's oppression in Iran is not just about the hijab. It's about women not being able to do what they want. This boycott is going to have strong, negative, repercussions on women sportsmanship in Iran, which is what the Iranian chessmaster said in my linked article.

sithadmin 10y ago
>do you think that is what matters to most Iranian women who are forced to stay at home? It may or may not matter to those actually being oppressed. But publicizing Iran's human rights abuses and oppressive theocratic policies does matter (on some level) to Iran's elites, because it harms the country's image.
ZoF 10y ago
What an "awful position" Amazing. As an American I unapologetically support this woman's choice. There's nothing 'Brute force' about this. Fighting for equality in a specific context doesn't mean you understand or comprehend the injustices others have faced; She never claimed to though. "If you don't want to bear a scarf on your head" - yeah, that's what she is opposed to, wearing a scarf, not what the submission represents. These values you're denigrating as "american" and therefore "bad" really aren't.
return0 10y ago
The US is not even in the list of most militant secular cultures. It's not a choice; You can't say "don't go" as if they have a choice to go to another country to compete.
jessaustin 10y ago
This reminds me of the mental contortions that e.g. USA Southerners used to perform while attempting to justify slavery. You are so ideologically committed to hijabery that you can't comprehend a simple statement of personal preference. You may disagree with Paikidze-Barnes (and most people) about the significance and the effects of the hijab. But given her beliefs, surely any reasonable person can understand why she would choose not to travel to a place that would require her to betray those beliefs?
- mrpopo 10y ago
  > You are so ideologically committed to hijabery I am not, I strongly wish that Iran will become a more moderate country in the future. But such a boycott will only further seclude the country, whereas an international championship for women in Iran is an actual step forward. Nazi Paikidze is free to not go, but she should not say she is fighting for women's oppression.
- ZoF 10y ago
  Yes, those American southerners who are trying to justify slavery.... Are you delusional, talking to sub 1/10th of a percent of the population, or referencing 100s of years ago when blacks sold other blacks as slaves? No rational human in today's world tries to justify slavery. Inb4 you point to a small subsect of white nationalists while ignoring the small subsect of black nationalists entirely. American southerners, black and white, aren't the mindless bigots you're painting them as.
  - nostrebored 10y ago
    "used to perform"
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  - jessaustin 10y ago
    I'm an American Southerner, but unlike you I read and comprehend both English and history. I love that you regurgitate trivialities such as "blacks sold other blacks as slaves". Tell us more! What else have you read in Remembering Better Times Quarterly? Perhaps next you'll suggest that some former slaves had some difficulties as sharecroppers?
    - ZoF 10y ago
      So, option three, referencing 100s of years ago. Ok. Fair reference I suppose, if a bit odd. Your implication that I'm a stupid racist is noted and honestly was expected. Curious if you have any further reference regarding my inability to read/comprehend English/history or if it was just baseless ad hominem? I feel I should be more well versed in my moral/intellectual inadequacy.

by mrpopo 10y ago

sithadmin 10y ago

>do you think that is what matters to most Iranian women who are forced to stay at home? It may or may not matter to those actually being oppressed. But publicizing Iran's human rights abuses and oppressive theocratic policies does matter (on some level) to Iran's elites, because it harms the country's image.

ZoF 10y ago

What an "awful position" Amazing. As an American I unapologetically support this woman's choice. There's nothing 'Brute force' about this. Fighting for equality in a specific context doesn't mean you understand or comprehend the injustices others have faced; She never claimed to though. "If you don't want to bear a scarf on your head" - yeah, that's what she is opposed to, wearing a scarf, not what the submission represents. These values you're denigrating as "american" and therefore "bad" really aren't.

return0 10y ago

The US is not even in the list of most militant secular cultures. It's not a choice; You can't say "don't go" as if they have a choice to go to another country to compete.

jessaustin 10y ago

This reminds me of the mental contortions that e.g. USA Southerners used to perform while attempting to justify slavery. You are so ideologically committed to hijabery that you can't comprehend a simple statement of personal preference. You may disagree with Paikidze-Barnes (and most people) about the significance and the effects of the hijab. But given her beliefs, surely any reasonable person can understand why she would choose not to travel to a place that would require her to betray those beliefs?

mrpopo 10y ago
> You are so ideologically committed to hijabery I am not, I strongly wish that Iran will become a more moderate country in the future. But such a boycott will only further seclude the country, whereas an international championship for women in Iran is an actual step forward. Nazi Paikidze is free to not go, but she should not say she is fighting for women's oppression.
ZoF 10y ago
Yes, those American southerners who are trying to justify slavery.... Are you delusional, talking to sub 1/10th of a percent of the population, or referencing 100s of years ago when blacks sold other blacks as slaves? No rational human in today's world tries to justify slavery. Inb4 you point to a small subsect of white nationalists while ignoring the small subsect of black nationalists entirely. American southerners, black and white, aren't the mindless bigots you're painting them as.
- nostrebored 10y ago
  "used to perform"
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- jessaustin 10y ago
  I'm an American Southerner, but unlike you I read and comprehend both English and history. I love that you regurgitate trivialities such as "blacks sold other blacks as slaves". Tell us more! What else have you read in Remembering Better Times Quarterly? Perhaps next you'll suggest that some former slaves had some difficulties as sharecroppers?
  - ZoF 10y ago
    So, option three, referencing 100s of years ago. Ok. Fair reference I suppose, if a bit odd. Your implication that I'm a stupid racist is noted and honestly was expected. Curious if you have any further reference regarding my inability to read/comprehend English/history or if it was just baseless ad hominem? I feel I should be more well versed in my moral/intellectual inadequacy.