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Wikipedia on Yemeni war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_Civil_War_(2015%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_Civil_War_(2015%E2%80%9...

by acqq 10y ago

Wikipedia on Yemeni war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_Civil_War_(2015%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_Civil_War_(2015%E2%80%9... There are three major sides in the war: - Houthi, basically Shia Muslims - Hadi, supported by Saudi Arabia (Sunnis) and the US - al-Qaeda, ISIS etc. "The Houthis have long been accused of being proxies for Iran, since they both follow Shia Islam. (Although the Iranians are Twelve-Imam Shias and the Houthis are Five-Imam Shias.) The United States and Saudi Arabia have alleged that the Houthis receive weapons and training from Iran.[87] The Houthis and Iranian government have denied any affiliation.[88]" Detailed map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Yemeni_Civil_War_detailed_map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Yemeni_Civil_War_deta... "A coalition led by Saudi Arabia[6] launched military operations by using airstrikes to restore the former Yemeni government and the United States provided intelligence and logistical support for the campaign.[4] According to the UN, from March 2015 to August 2016, over 10,000 people have been killed in Yemen, including 3,799 civilians.[58]"

ilaksh 10y ago
So its like Syria. Its not a civil war at all. Its part of the larger regional conflict between the US and its allies and its enemies such as Iran and Russia.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  So it's like the Cold War never really ended.
- nabla9 10y ago
  It's a civil war just like Syria is civil war. The larger regional conflict is attached to the regional conflict. The issues Houthis or Syrian Sunni majority had before the war did not come from outside.
  - acqq 10y ago
    "a civil war just like Syria is civil war" Because, as you say, "the issues" "did not come from outside?" Syria, CNN Dec. 2006: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1571751,00.html http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1571751,00... "The Bush Administration has been quietly nurturing individuals and parties opposed to the Syrian government in an effort to undermine the regime of President Bashar Assad." The cable of the US ambassador in Syria, December 2006 via Wikileaks: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html cryoshon quoted CIA director William Casey recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12597168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12597168 "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." "said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries"
    - nabla9 10y ago
      Outside forces have been messing with them, but the issues that created the civil war were not created by outside forces. Assad's family and Alawite minority were ruling Syria and Sunni majority was oppressed. It was just question of time when something happens.
      - acqq 10y ago
        Without the weapons and the logistic support provided from the outside, it wouldn't even be a war at all. It is a proxy war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars with at least 7 million refugees now.
mafribe 10y ago
Houthis have long been accused of being proxies for Iran Since when is it illegal to have allies, and to receive weapons from allies?
- berntb 10y ago
  Saudi Arabia might export an extremist and hateful variant of their religion, but they don't advocate terror (you don't rock the boat when you're on top of the world). Iran is probably the world's largest terror exporter (Pakistan might be worse?) and militarily expansionist. I think they even (internally) argue for their goal of controlling the muslim holy places, etc. So Iran actively destabilizes Middle East countries. The only good thing with this is that it gave Israel and the Arab countries a common enemy.
  - mafribe 10y ago
    Saudi Arabia might export an extremist [...] but they don't advocate terror Some contradiction right there. Iran is probably the world's largest [...] militarily expansionist. Iran has invaded which countries in the last 2000 years, and how does this compare with e.g. the Soviet Union, the US, the UK, the Mongols, the Incas? Iran is probably the world's largest terror exporter Reference needed. Which large scale terror attacks in the last few decades (e.g. 9/11 or the attacks in Paris/Nice) were supported by Iran?
    - berntb 10y ago
      >> Some contradiction right there. So just because someone is politically/religiously extreme they are violent? >> Iran has invaded which countries in the last 2000 years 2 minutes with Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty#Recovery_of_territory_from_the_Uzbeks_and_the_Ottomans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty#Recovery_of_te... "The Ottoman Turks and Safavids fought over the fertile plains of Iraq for more than 150 years" (But I understand -- it was _really_ Iranian to start with. Iran's empires have been the only non-expansionist ones in human history. :-) ) >> Iranian terror. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#Specific_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro... (Edit: Wikipedia for terror is simpler than referencing e.g. the South American stuff, because then you will quote the Iranian priests' declarations of innocence. IIRC, once the Iranian leadership even denied supplying Hamas with weapons at the same time Hamas went out and thanked them. Bad coordination. :-) )

by acqq 10y ago

ilaksh 10y ago

So its like Syria. Its not a civil war at all. Its part of the larger regional conflict between the US and its allies and its enemies such as Iran and Russia.

TeMPOraL 10y ago
So it's like the Cold War never really ended.
nabla9 10y ago
It's a civil war just like Syria is civil war. The larger regional conflict is attached to the regional conflict. The issues Houthis or Syrian Sunni majority had before the war did not come from outside.
- acqq 10y ago
  "a civil war just like Syria is civil war" Because, as you say, "the issues" "did not come from outside?" Syria, CNN Dec. 2006: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1571751,00.html http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1571751,00... "The Bush Administration has been quietly nurturing individuals and parties opposed to the Syrian government in an effort to undermine the regime of President Bashar Assad." The cable of the US ambassador in Syria, December 2006 via Wikileaks: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html cryoshon quoted CIA director William Casey recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12597168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12597168 "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." "said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries"
  - nabla9 10y ago
    Outside forces have been messing with them, but the issues that created the civil war were not created by outside forces. Assad's family and Alawite minority were ruling Syria and Sunni majority was oppressed. It was just question of time when something happens.
    - acqq 10y ago
      Without the weapons and the logistic support provided from the outside, it wouldn't even be a war at all. It is a proxy war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars with at least 7 million refugees now.

mafribe 10y ago

Houthis have long been accused of being proxies for Iran Since when is it illegal to have allies, and to receive weapons from allies?

berntb 10y ago
Saudi Arabia might export an extremist and hateful variant of their religion, but they don't advocate terror (you don't rock the boat when you're on top of the world). Iran is probably the world's largest terror exporter (Pakistan might be worse?) and militarily expansionist. I think they even (internally) argue for their goal of controlling the muslim holy places, etc. So Iran actively destabilizes Middle East countries. The only good thing with this is that it gave Israel and the Arab countries a common enemy.
- mafribe 10y ago
  Saudi Arabia might export an extremist [...] but they don't advocate terror Some contradiction right there. Iran is probably the world's largest [...] militarily expansionist. Iran has invaded which countries in the last 2000 years, and how does this compare with e.g. the Soviet Union, the US, the UK, the Mongols, the Incas? Iran is probably the world's largest terror exporter Reference needed. Which large scale terror attacks in the last few decades (e.g. 9/11 or the attacks in Paris/Nice) were supported by Iran?
  - berntb 10y ago
    >> Some contradiction right there. So just because someone is politically/religiously extreme they are violent? >> Iran has invaded which countries in the last 2000 years 2 minutes with Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty#Recovery_of_territory_from_the_Uzbeks_and_the_Ottomans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty#Recovery_of_te... "The Ottoman Turks and Safavids fought over the fertile plains of Iraq for more than 150 years" (But I understand -- it was _really_ Iranian to start with. Iran's empires have been the only non-expansionist ones in human history. :-) ) >> Iranian terror. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#Specific_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro... (Edit: Wikipedia for terror is simpler than referencing e.g. the South American stuff, because then you will quote the Iranian priests' declarations of innocence. IIRC, once the Iranian leadership even denied supplying Hamas with weapons at the same time Hamas went out and thanked them. Bad coordination. :-) )