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MS has really gone downhill over the past few years with badly designed software and shockingly broken patches. The anniversary update set all the permissions i

by AmVess 10y ago

MS has really gone downhill over the past few years with badly designed software and shockingly broken patches. The anniversary update set all the permissions in my registry so it couldn't be written to, and there was no way to fix it. On another machine, all the network interfaces vanished with no way of restoring them. These are complete show stoppers on machines I use to make money. I loaded Win8.1 on all machines and will never touch W10.

tapirl 10y ago
I really like win8.1. I dislike win10 so much, not only it contains so many bugs, but also I don't like the UI change.
- oneplane 10y ago
  I'd say: fork the old UI and use it instead of the new one. But that's something you'd do on Linux, not on Windows I guess...
  - tapirl 10y ago
    That is why I use mate desktop on debian now, for I also don't like the gnome3 UI.
- cmarschner 10y ago
  I must say it is the other way round for me. The latest Windows is the best release since Windows 7. Windows 8(.1) seemed like an alpha version of the current OS (I just say: power off button).
bobbyi_settv 10y ago
Maybe they think they can get away with because their only competition (MacOS) is heading in the same direction. Both OSs peaked somewhere around 2010. Since then, MS has focussed on using their desktop OS to collect data and Apple has been focussed on using their desktop OS to prop up their mobile OS.
- givinguflac 10y ago
  Using both reasonably frequently, I really don't see how you think they're moving in the same direction. MacOS still leaves the user in full control if they wish, while Windows forces ridiculous hoops to disable things that should be a stock setting using regedit which most users would and should never touch. Outside of "they both have voice assistants now" I see no similarities. And I'm certain you will never see ads in MacOS as part of the OS "features."
  - bobbyi_settv 10y ago
    I think you misread my post. In both cases, the user experience of the desktop OS has gotten worse because all of the changes the parent company have made to the OS have been to support their larger business objectives at the expensive of this specific product. In MS's case they've been focussed on data collection. In Apple's case, they've been focused on cross-selling their mobile devices. As someone who doesn't want MS collecting my data and has no intention of ever going back to Apple's mobile devices, I would prefer either product as it existed circa 2010. I'm not sure how that led you to the conclusion that I think Apple will add ads to their OS, but that definitely isn't what I meant to imply.
    - Razengan 10y ago
      You are implying that Apple added absolutely nothing to macOS since 2010 that wasn't useful to desktop-/laptop-only users, or that there've been glaring omissions of functionality since 2010 which they haven't addressed or aren't about to address, without giving any examples of either. Heck, they just announced a new and modern filesystem! Coming next year! [1] What about systemwide support for Wide Color? [2] It's a free OS, it gets major updates every year and minor ones every few months. Even if the spotlighted features of every release (like Siri this year) aren't exactly appealing to you personally, what most people seem to overlook — odd for a place like Hacker News — is that every release of macOS also includes many new native APIs for developers. Not to mention subtle new accessibility features, which most of us may hopefully never need but it's nice to know they are there for the people who do need them. [1] http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/a-zfs-developers-analysis-of-the-good-and-bad-in-apples-new-apfs-file-system/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/a-zfs-developers-analys... [2] https://webkit.org/blog/6682/improving-color-on-the-web/ https://webkit.org/blog/6682/improving-color-on-the-web/
basch 10y ago
The Anniversary Update is currently the Current Branch. From Microsoft's own documentation - The CB servicing model is ideal for pilot deployments and testing of Windows 10 feature updates and for users such as developers who need to work with the latest features immediately. In contrast, the CBB servicing branch is typically used for broad deployment. Windows 10 clients in the CBB servicing branch receive the same build of Windows 10 as those in the CB servicing branch, just at a later time. CB releases are transitioned to CBB after about 4 months, indicating that Microsoft, independent software vendors (ISVs), partners, and customers believe that the release is ready for broad deployment. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/waas-overview https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/waa... Considering we are only two months past the release of AU, I would consider it to be in the pilot not stable deployable phase. If you want Windows to be stable, and you dont want to be a beta tester, go to Windows Update advanced settings settings and check Defer feature updates. It's the same pattern Microsoft has always taken, just accelerated. Vista was released to consumers so their Enterprise release of Windows 7 was adequately tested across as many hardware and software scenarios as possible.
JohnTHaller 10y ago
Honestly, most software development has been going noticeably down hill the last couple years from Microsoft, Google, and Apple. It's understandable from Google whose business is ads (90% of their revenue) and makes software to drive ads. And it would even be a bit excusable for Apple given that Apple is primarily a hardware company. But Microsoft is a software company. Yes, they're dabbling in hardware a bit, but their revenue is software.
RandomOpinion 10y ago
>MS has really gone downhill over the past few years with badly designed software and shockingly broken patches. Well... (2014) http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-employees-still-like-nadella-2014-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-employees-still-lik... "Inside Microsoft, test engineers across the company, particularly in the Windows unit, were the hardest hit [by the layoffs], our source said. ... Now, the testing job is part of the development team similar to how other big software companies do things." (2014) http://www.zdnet.com/article/beyond-12500-former-nokia-employees-who-else-is-microsoft-laying-off/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/beyond-12500-former-nokia-emplo... "Under the new structure, a number of Windows engineers, primarily dedicated testers, will no longer be needed. (I don't know exactly how many testers will be laid off, but hearing it could be a "good chunk," from sources close to the company.)"
- alexeiz 10y ago
  If you don't have testers your users become testers. Microsoft is learning this fact the hard way.

by AmVess 10y ago

tapirl 10y ago

I really like win8.1. I dislike win10 so much, not only it contains so many bugs, but also I don't like the UI change.

oneplane 10y ago
I'd say: fork the old UI and use it instead of the new one. But that's something you'd do on Linux, not on Windows I guess...
- tapirl 10y ago
  That is why I use mate desktop on debian now, for I also don't like the gnome3 UI.
cmarschner 10y ago
I must say it is the other way round for me. The latest Windows is the best release since Windows 7. Windows 8(.1) seemed like an alpha version of the current OS (I just say: power off button).

bobbyi_settv 10y ago

Maybe they think they can get away with because their only competition (MacOS) is heading in the same direction. Both OSs peaked somewhere around 2010. Since then, MS has focussed on using their desktop OS to collect data and Apple has been focussed on using their desktop OS to prop up their mobile OS.

givinguflac 10y ago
Using both reasonably frequently, I really don't see how you think they're moving in the same direction. MacOS still leaves the user in full control if they wish, while Windows forces ridiculous hoops to disable things that should be a stock setting using regedit which most users would and should never touch. Outside of "they both have voice assistants now" I see no similarities. And I'm certain you will never see ads in MacOS as part of the OS "features."
- bobbyi_settv 10y ago
  I think you misread my post. In both cases, the user experience of the desktop OS has gotten worse because all of the changes the parent company have made to the OS have been to support their larger business objectives at the expensive of this specific product. In MS's case they've been focussed on data collection. In Apple's case, they've been focused on cross-selling their mobile devices. As someone who doesn't want MS collecting my data and has no intention of ever going back to Apple's mobile devices, I would prefer either product as it existed circa 2010. I'm not sure how that led you to the conclusion that I think Apple will add ads to their OS, but that definitely isn't what I meant to imply.
  - Razengan 10y ago
    You are implying that Apple added absolutely nothing to macOS since 2010 that wasn't useful to desktop-/laptop-only users, or that there've been glaring omissions of functionality since 2010 which they haven't addressed or aren't about to address, without giving any examples of either. Heck, they just announced a new and modern filesystem! Coming next year! [1] What about systemwide support for Wide Color? [2] It's a free OS, it gets major updates every year and minor ones every few months. Even if the spotlighted features of every release (like Siri this year) aren't exactly appealing to you personally, what most people seem to overlook — odd for a place like Hacker News — is that every release of macOS also includes many new native APIs for developers. Not to mention subtle new accessibility features, which most of us may hopefully never need but it's nice to know they are there for the people who do need them. [1] http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/a-zfs-developers-analysis-of-the-good-and-bad-in-apples-new-apfs-file-system/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/a-zfs-developers-analys... [2] https://webkit.org/blog/6682/improving-color-on-the-web/ https://webkit.org/blog/6682/improving-color-on-the-web/

basch 10y ago

The Anniversary Update is currently the Current Branch. From Microsoft's own documentation - The CB servicing model is ideal for pilot deployments and testing of Windows 10 feature updates and for users such as developers who need to work with the latest features immediately. In contrast, the CBB servicing branch is typically used for broad deployment. Windows 10 clients in the CBB servicing branch receive the same build of Windows 10 as those in the CB servicing branch, just at a later time. CB releases are transitioned to CBB after about 4 months, indicating that Microsoft, independent software vendors (ISVs), partners, and customers believe that the release is ready for broad deployment. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/waas-overview https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/waa... Considering we are only two months past the release of AU, I would consider it to be in the pilot not stable deployable phase. If you want Windows to be stable, and you dont want to be a beta tester, go to Windows Update advanced settings settings and check Defer feature updates. It's the same pattern Microsoft has always taken, just accelerated. Vista was released to consumers so their Enterprise release of Windows 7 was adequately tested across as many hardware and software scenarios as possible.

JohnTHaller 10y ago

Honestly, most software development has been going noticeably down hill the last couple years from Microsoft, Google, and Apple. It's understandable from Google whose business is ads (90% of their revenue) and makes software to drive ads. And it would even be a bit excusable for Apple given that Apple is primarily a hardware company. But Microsoft is a software company. Yes, they're dabbling in hardware a bit, but their revenue is software.

RandomOpinion 10y ago

>MS has really gone downhill over the past few years with badly designed software and shockingly broken patches. Well... (2014) http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-employees-still-like-nadella-2014-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-employees-still-lik... "Inside Microsoft, test engineers across the company, particularly in the Windows unit, were the hardest hit [by the layoffs], our source said. ... Now, the testing job is part of the development team similar to how other big software companies do things." (2014) http://www.zdnet.com/article/beyond-12500-former-nokia-employees-who-else-is-microsoft-laying-off/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/beyond-12500-former-nokia-emplo... "Under the new structure, a number of Windows engineers, primarily dedicated testers, will no longer be needed. (I don't know exactly how many testers will be laid off, but hearing it could be a "good chunk," from sources close to the company.)"

alexeiz 10y ago
If you don't have testers your users become testers. Microsoft is learning this fact the hard way.