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“Russian hacker” = Colloquial (US): 1. Gremlin; boogeyman; mischievous imaginary troll; 2. A rhetorical device used to misdirect attention from embarrassing act
by kushti 10y ago
“Russian hacker” = Colloquial (US): 1. Gremlin; boogeyman; mischievous imaginary troll; 2. A rhetorical device used to misdirect attention from embarrassing acts of political or ethical malfeasance.
- linkregister 10y agoAre you implying that the Russian government isn't competent at computer network exploitation as your beloved American NSA is? Are you one of those "American exceptionalists" I keep hearing about?
- _yosefk 10y agoI thought he implied that blaming Russia for leaking data was in his opinion irrelevant when the leaked data implied that someone at home did something nasty. I did not feel that he disrespected the ability of the KGB alumni running Russia to do the kinds of things which they were originally trained and paid to do.
- the_watcher 10y agoI read it as that too. However, it's not irrelevant, it's orthogonal. If someone at home did something nasty, they should be held accountable. That said, Russia engaging in the act of hacking and leaking the data is a major problem in its own right. I agree that we shouldn't let that excuse the actions of Americans, at the same time.
- adventured 10y agoI don't think the parent was implying anything negative about the Russian Government's abilities. It is however the case that the Russian Government is in fact not as competent or substantial in scope as the NSA at what they do. The NSA is easily the leader at network exploitation globally. It's not remotely a close competition and Russia knows it, which is why Putin railed so heavily against the Internet after the Snowden leaks. The NSA has a true global intelligence scouring capability that Russia could only dream of. Russia has a small fraction of the systems of data vacuuming in place across the globe that the NSA can make use of without any effort (courtesy of countless major nations that feed the NSA, including the other four eyes). In terms of sheer skill, I'd like to see the argument that the best of the NSA are beneath that of the best of any other nation. Based on what Snowden revealed, the NSA was at least ten years out in front of Russia and China in what they were doing.
- galdosdi 10y agoYou're behind the times. "Russian hacker" is depracated for the meaning you cite; all users should migrate to saying "400 pound man on his bed" going forward
- _yosefk 10y ago"400 pound man" says the exact opposite, actually. "Russian hacker" says focus on the hacker. "400 pound man" says focus on what was leaked.
- oxide 10y agowhy aren't we finding and funding squads of 400 lb men to carry out our cyber will? if Russia and China have squads of state-sponsored hackers, we ought to fight fire with 400 lbs of fire.
- galdosdi 10y agoActually, you're right. I admit my above comment was just lighthearted and not so meaningful
- whybroke 10y ago>..imaginary.. um, no A hostile foreign power hacking a government related server containing potential sensitive data and then spewing that data such as to disrupt a US election is vastly more significant than putting that data on the server in the first place. One casts light on a candidates decision making process, the other is pretty close to an act of war.
- bskdjx 10y agoHacking elections is a declaration of war? Then the US should be at war with dozens of countless! Oh, wait... It is!
- whybroke 10y agoWhile you statement is hyperbole and your logic is Tu Quoque, it's clear the US does some very bad things. But you can be absolutely certain that anything that Putin is trying to do is absolutely guaranteed to vastly worsen that both inside and outside the country.
- colordrops 10y agoIf you are going to be throwing out big words, it's not Tu Quoque, it's sarcastic.
- ethanbond 10y agoThe comment wasn't sarcastic at all. It was implying that the US hacks elections and that that is somehow a mitigating factor into how wrong it is for Russia to do it to us. That's tu quoque. Not sarcasm.
- krapp 10y ago>A hostile foreign power hacking a government related server containing potential sensitive data and then spewing that data such as to disrupt a US election is vastly more significant than putting that data on the server in the first place. Not when that hostile foreign power hacks the Democrats in an election year. Then they're just doing the world a favor. Allegedly.
- trhway 10y ago> “Russian hacker” = Colloquial (US): 1. Gremlin; boogeyman; mischievous imaginary troll; 2. A rhetorical device used to misdirect attention from embarrassing acts of political or ethical malfeasance. pretty much the definition of "American(meaning 'US') imperialists" in USSR back then and Russia today.