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> That's why you get things like schools sending children home at lunchtime or on Wednesday afternoons: the school schedules are deliberately set up to be incom

by lukego 10y ago

> That's why you get things like schools sending children home at lunchtime or on Wednesday afternoons: the school schedules are deliberately set up to be incompatible with working hours, in order to reinforce traditional family setups. Just an anecdote: We are (expat) remote workers raising kids on the Swiss countryside. Our fellows haven't started school yet but we are really looking forward to having them come home for lunch. The motivation for the system may well be to suit traditional family setups, and make it hard for both parents to work in an office, but it also seems tailor made for self-employed people who work from home with a flexible schedule and want to spend time together as a family. (ask me again in a few years.)

Scarblac 10y ago
> self-employed people who work from home with a flexible schedule and want to spend time together as a family. That's about as traditional as family setups get, isn't it? Except you're not working on your farm.
- lukego 10y ago
  On the one hand, yes, this is quite similar to our neighbours who are dairy farmers. On the other hand I am quite an anomaly here as a high-tech worker operating under the modern and nontraditional principles of "Remote: No Office Required" :-) I also suspect that having both of us parents at home during the day will make it much easier to manage the disruption of kids coming home in the afternoon, etc, which could be hard for one person to juggle with a career.
ccozan 10y ago
Last time I tried to get a gig in Switzerland as a freelancer, they told me there is no such thing as a freelancer there, every one must be hired. State mandates that. However, the tax is so low, that is doesn't really matter. On the other side, the cost of living is so high (Zuerich area) so that it really worth it if you plan to _move_ there for the rest of your live.
- LoSboccacc 10y ago
  this really sounds like bullshit. a freelancer is nothing else but a company made up by a single individual. are they alien to the concept of service companies?
- shin_lao 10y ago
  Last time I tried to get a gig in Switzerland as a freelancer, they told me there is no such thing as a freelancer there, every one must be hired. That's absolutely wrong, you've been lied to. Which part of Switzerland was it?
  - languagewars 10y ago
    I think they meant that there isn't really a freelancer visa, so most people would have a chicken and egg problem. AFAIK you can run your own business with a B permit which is in turn justified by income/employment in that business, but you would usually transition from a permit through another employer or other types of visas (family, student, etc.) I think waiting until you had a C permit would be more common, especially if your only connection with Switzerland is employment.
    - ccozan 10y ago
      I wouldn't need a visa as a German ( or any other EU national ). If I want to work ( as employed ), I would need an "Aufenthaltsbewilligung".
      - languagewars 10y ago
        If you are from the EU then you could currently use your right to a resident permit based on right to travel and probably transition to a B based on self-employment before your time was up. But as noted in the article, you could run into trouble since the vote indicated quotas that would somehow reduce residents in that group, while the treaties don't allow such a control. So some kind of odd technicality could develop. If you are German then no one should have told you there's no possibility of freelancing, but it might make more sense to first take on enough Swiss customers freelancing from Germany, or as a commuter to Basel, etc. I would just recommend being conservative about maintaining a reasonable/stable salary sourced from Switzerland when renewing a residence permit. If you really mean contractor gigs from abroad, everyone I met doing that actually works permanently for a placement agency, and most of them are not very nice. IMO it is just as easy (or hard) to find a job directly and better.

by lukego 10y ago

Scarblac 10y ago

> self-employed people who work from home with a flexible schedule and want to spend time together as a family. That's about as traditional as family setups get, isn't it? Except you're not working on your farm.

lukego 10y ago
On the one hand, yes, this is quite similar to our neighbours who are dairy farmers. On the other hand I am quite an anomaly here as a high-tech worker operating under the modern and nontraditional principles of "Remote: No Office Required" :-) I also suspect that having both of us parents at home during the day will make it much easier to manage the disruption of kids coming home in the afternoon, etc, which could be hard for one person to juggle with a career.

ccozan 10y ago

Last time I tried to get a gig in Switzerland as a freelancer, they told me there is no such thing as a freelancer there, every one must be hired. State mandates that. However, the tax is so low, that is doesn't really matter. On the other side, the cost of living is so high (Zuerich area) so that it really worth it if you plan to _move_ there for the rest of your live.

LoSboccacc 10y ago
this really sounds like bullshit. a freelancer is nothing else but a company made up by a single individual. are they alien to the concept of service companies?
shin_lao 10y ago
Last time I tried to get a gig in Switzerland as a freelancer, they told me there is no such thing as a freelancer there, every one must be hired. That's absolutely wrong, you've been lied to. Which part of Switzerland was it?
- languagewars 10y ago
  I think they meant that there isn't really a freelancer visa, so most people would have a chicken and egg problem. AFAIK you can run your own business with a B permit which is in turn justified by income/employment in that business, but you would usually transition from a permit through another employer or other types of visas (family, student, etc.) I think waiting until you had a C permit would be more common, especially if your only connection with Switzerland is employment.
  - ccozan 10y ago
    I wouldn't need a visa as a German ( or any other EU national ). If I want to work ( as employed ), I would need an "Aufenthaltsbewilligung".
    - languagewars 10y ago
      If you are from the EU then you could currently use your right to a resident permit based on right to travel and probably transition to a B based on self-employment before your time was up. But as noted in the article, you could run into trouble since the vote indicated quotas that would somehow reduce residents in that group, while the treaties don't allow such a control. So some kind of odd technicality could develop. If you are German then no one should have told you there's no possibility of freelancing, but it might make more sense to first take on enough Swiss customers freelancing from Germany, or as a commuter to Basel, etc. I would just recommend being conservative about maintaining a reasonable/stable salary sourced from Switzerland when renewing a residence permit. If you really mean contractor gigs from abroad, everyone I met doing that actually works permanently for a placement agency, and most of them are not very nice. IMO it is just as easy (or hard) to find a job directly and better.