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An AWS Region is coming to France
- voltagex_ 10y agohttps://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-in-2017-new-aws-region-in-france/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-in-2017-new-aws-regi...
- rloc 10y agoThis is great. I operate a French website targeted to French customers, this will improve latency compared to Ireland. This might also allow for mixing critical server roles hosted in other Paris data centers with AWS. I'm thinking about connecting a web server (in AWS) with a DB server (in another Paris DC) while keeping the latency at a low level.
- madeofpalk 10y ago> (in another Paris DC) For bonus points, choose the same DC that AWS is actually in http://www.equinix.com/locations/france-colocation/france-data-centers/ http://www.equinix.com/locations/france-colocation/france-da...
- rloc 10y agoMmmm interesting. I have servers there: http://www.iliad-datacenter.com/ http://www.iliad-datacenter.com/ in DC3.
- 5h 10y agoStill no further info on the London region since their announcement post[1] said: > Today, I am excited to add the United Kingdom to that list! The AWS UK region will be our third in the European Union (EU), and we're shooting to have it ready by the end of 2016 (or early 2017). This region will provide even lower latency and strong data sovereignty to local users. [1] http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2015/11/aws-announces-uk-region.html http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2015/11/aws-announces-uk...
- dazc 10y agoSince UK is about to be outside of the EU it's likely this has been put on hold? I don't know what the facts are but I'm guessing the UK accounts for a large slice of data currently being routed via Ireland, so it isn't going to be on hold for long?
- wastedhours 10y agoI know you can target Ireland as the API endpoint for SES, but in light of Brexit and all the issues still with Safe Harbour, hopefully having a UK offering will make me a lot happier with routing email sends (data wise).
- arviewer 10y agoNo it's not on hold: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-in-2017-new-aws-region-in-france/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-in-2017-new-aws-regi...
- arviewer 10y agoYes, they confirmed it here: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-in-2017-new-aws-region-in-france/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-in-2017-new-aws-regi... > This will be the fourth AWS Region in Europe. We currently have two other Regions in Europe — EU (Ireland) and EU (Frankfurt) and an additional Region in the UK expected to launch in the coming months.
- otterley 10y agoAWS Re:Invent is coming up in early December; I wouldn't be surprised if they announced general availability by then.
- dazbradbury 10y agoFor those in London wondering where is best for UK based customers, it seems, for London at least, this could be an improvement over Dublin (where Frankfurt is slower), as Paris is roughly 70 miles closer. Of course, depending on where / when [1] a UK-based data centre is released, I'd imagine that would be faster still. Currently Ireland vs. Frankfurt is (more data needed of course)[2]: Europe (Ireland): 25 ms 27 ms 24 ms Europe (Frankfurt): 39 ms 39 ms 42 ms And Frankfurt is about 100 miles further than Dublin. But for a quick test, this looks like a good tool: http://www.cloudping.info/ http://www.cloudping.info/ Will be interested to test this once released to see UK / Paris vs. Dublin. [1] Article states UK region "due in coming months". No location announced? [2] Hitting ec2.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com vs. ec2.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com.
- timv 10y ago> Article states UK region "due in coming months". No location announced? At the bottom of the English section it says it's London The new European region, coupled with the existing AWS Regions in Dublin and Frankfurt, and a future one in London,
- alicewales 10y agoIt's hardly surprising. Everything on the UK internet goes through London anyway. If you have a DC in Manchester and an end-user in Liverpool, the link normally goes Manchester - London - Liverpool. It's not a great situation, having everything so centralised on London, but it's a small enough country that it doesn't have a huge effect on latency. It would make no sense for AWS to locate in a non-London region when everything would then have to be backhauled to London.
- inopinatus 10y agoNot every decision is about cost minimisation. There's a resiliency motivation to place DCs in separate flood plains and separate power grids if possible. Whether AWS is following that, I cannot say.
- grif-fin 10y agoI do sincerely wished Amazon would have consider changing their AWS service management UI and workflow as well as epanding their servers around the globe. Currently it is an incredibly inefficient design of a service management trying to do everything yet many are dependent for using it.
- ceejayoz 10y agoIf you're big enough that switching regions in the console is a regular pain, you're probably big enough to just automate stuff via the APIs.
- grif-fin 10y agoThis maybe a fact but not an excuse for poor user experience.
- ceejayoz 10y agoAWS initially launched API-only. At any significant scale, it's simply not intended to be managed via the console.
- grif-fin 10y agoI found visualization very much helpful when complexity rises. APIs stays powerful but do not support a human admin for monitoring and server setups (including IAM users, Services, Tasks, Clusters, Launching EC2 instances, ECR setup for docker, AIM, Loadbalancing, Security groups, Roles etc all multiplied to X regions).
- ceejayoz 10y agoAgain, if you're large enough to be in multiple regions, all of this should be configured via the APIs using a configuration management system of some sort. Ansible, for example, can easily manage stuff like security groups (http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/ec2_group_module.html http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/ec2_group_module.html) , load balancing (http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/ec2_elb_lb_module.html http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/ec2_elb_lb_module.html), IAM users and roles (http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/iam_module.html http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/iam_module.html), etc., and it does them in repeatable, auditable, version-controllable, self-documenting fashion.
- widforss 10y agoWhat is the state of the temporary spy laws in France? Shouldn't it at least be mentioned in the announcement that the french government can pretty much ask Amazon for any of your data without a warrant. Or is the situation better than a year ago? EDIT: Warrant is apparently needed as noplay said.
- noplay 10y agoThey need warrant to get access to your server. What they can do is to collect metadata in some points of the network, they don't need amazon to do that, because they target end users. But it's probably not a good idea to host in France if you have not reason to do that. Like NSA, french secret service just don't care about laws. But if you target french customer that's good news you have one more alternative for hosting without trouble with regulation about data.
- reacweb 10y agoIn France, we have some consideration toward power separation. Police and secret services can collect your data mostly without a warrant. Government can exceptionally ask the police some data, but if there are abuses, the judicial power will intervene.
- widforss 10y agoI meant government as in government agencies, not strictly under the direct control of the actual group of humans making up the government. I guess "government" interprets to different things in different countries, what I wrote above is a very american viewpoint. In my country (SE), a member of government can be relieved of her duties if she even mentions that an agency should act in a certain way (as the government only should make up policies and not interfere in the daily businesses of the agencies). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerstyre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerstyre
- noplay 10y agoYeah in France separation is less clear. That's why warrant is not the problem if they want it they will get it anyway.
- ris 10y agoShrug
- solatic 10y agoThere is STILL no AWS region in Israel. All Internet traffic in and out of Israel goes through three undersea cables connecting the country with Turkey, Greece, and Italy, and as such suffer from the kind of lag that happens when you're separated from your destination server by a couple thousand kilometers, usually more. There are no local cloud providers and the local entrepreneurial culture (which is MASSIVE for such a small country) either has to pay for cloud resources in Europe or has to pay for local non-cloud hosting, which is orders of magnitude more expensive and running on relatively ancient hardware (the local VPS shops have little incentive to upgrade). Do we have to beg for Amazon to come here?!
- runeks 10y agoAmazon will come to Israel if they deem it profitable. They aren't exactly Google Fiber though, so I think they would avoid locating themselves in areas with poor connectivity options in the first place.
- discodave 10y agoNot really, from AWS perspective it's about locating regions close to potential customers with $$$ and a desire for a local region. That desire might be due to regulatory requirements or poor connectivity to other regions.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago> the local entrepreneurial culture (which is MASSIVE for such a small country) > (the local VPS shops have little incentive to upgrade) > Do we have to beg for Amazon to come here?! I'm surprised nobody has stepped in and built out their own cloud offering.
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- discodave 10y agoMarket likely isn't big enough.
- Cshelton 10y agoSo this is great however I have a very large concern. In a U.S. AWS data center, I am very confident (right now) that my encryption keys and encrypted data will never be given out to any governmental agency. Even with a warrant, they can not access my data unencrypted. What will Amazon do when the French government says hand us all of your keys or else... As our data is all extremely sensitive financial information, we really can not even take that chance until we know. Clarification: We send all data over HTTPS with AES 256 encryption. If authorities have a warrant for data, can we hand them the encrypted data and say the keys are in the U.S. and we can't give them to you?
- idlewords 10y agoWhy are you: 1) Keeping keys to extremely sensitive financial data on a cloud server 2) Confident that the US government won't request this information through warrant or national security letter 3) Asking for advice about this on a message board?
- Cshelton 10y ago1) They are in a key management service (not AWS). Highly unlikely somebody will get both access to the keys and the data together. They are also rotated periodically. 2) Well lately, I'm not. The Apple/FBI case was somewhat assuring. And I believe that to date, AWS has not handed over any data or keys without permission. 3) More theoretical advice about the new French region. What are the laws about privacy and how will that work. We just saw what Germany ruled on with WhatsApp. And really just asking the question because it needs to be asked. I don't actually expect an ultimate answer, just discussion about it.
- Twirrim 10y ago> 2) Well lately, I'm not. The Apple/FBI case was somewhat assuring. And I believe that to date, AWS has not handed over any data or keys without permission. How would you know? The NSL would prevent Amazon from being able to say anything about it. If you're that concerned about your security, you shouldn't be using a cloud provider.
- LyalinDotCom 10y agoIts worth commenting that we here in Microsoft Azure team (our cloud platform) have data centers in 30 regions including UK, Germany, etc. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/regions/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/regions/ Our platform is very mature now I wish more folks would give it a shot. p.s. we also take EU people data privacy very seriously. https://www.thefastmode.com/technology-solutions/9077-microsoft-partners-deutsche-telekom-to-open-azure-cloud-data-center-in-germany https://www.thefastmode.com/technology-solutions/9077-micros...
- LoneWolf 10y agoI don't know how it currently compares with AWS but some time ago the disk IO was a lot slower, and the prices were way higher. Does anyone know of recent comparisons?
- BillinghamJ 10y agoPrices are still way higher
- LoneWolf 10y agoAWS it will continue to be then.
- discodave 10y agoMS data centers are akin to AWS availability zones, not AWS regions.
- M2Ys4U 10y ago> p.s. we also take EU people data privacy very seriously. Hmmm. I find that very hard to believe. MS is going to have to be _very_ good for a _long_ time to overcome firing the late Caspar Bowden (then MS' chief privacy adviser) for telling regional managers that the NSA can pwn their customers' data. https://twitter.com/casparbowden/status/542588420611379201 https://twitter.com/casparbowden/status/542588420611379201