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YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

338 points by scommab 10y ago

strgrd 10y ago
Great to see Google splintering off into single duty compartments instead of spreading itself so thin that nothing gets done with the same amount of focus. Alphabet was a true design decision, and a mature one at that. One thing that crossed my mind recently was the notion of Google and its long relationship with hardware: we have this thing called the Blockchain now, and it could do with some of Google's hardware to run on, instead of independent factions of people spending their pocket money on their own hardware. It kind of makes me jealous and annoyed that so much could be spent for what effectively is sometimes just a data center for storing people's holiday snaps on Google Plus, when it could be used to host micro democracies and change the direction of finance. I suspect all that hardware will eventually be re-purposed many times throughout the course of the Google experiment and probably will eventually be given away at some point to the blockchainers who need it. I can picture the scene: dreadlocked decentralists rejoicing at their new hardware gift from Google, 25+ years from now. The ultimate redemption from their years of slavishly handing their personal information over to Google in exchange for a decent search experience. A true revenge for consumers of Google. Meanwhile Google would have entirely switched to SSDs and are probably using post-quantum chips, but at least we can host multiple different blockchains now without spending our pocket money on them. The blockchainers can start to get rich and blockchain can really flourish. Also, Google needs to create services which are for a post Snowden world. Allo is cute, but entirely inferior to things like Signal which addresses the problem of encrypted private chat head on. Google needs to create things like its own VPN service, perhaps?
Animats 10y ago
From a user perspective, the purpose of YouTube is to play out videos. Time spent in YouTube's user interface is a means for getting to the videos. But from Google's perspective, the revenue comes from time in the user interface, where the ads are. "Reimagined" probably means "more ad slots".
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- chickenfries 10y ago
  Are you serious? The valuable ads are IN the videos. Did you even read about any of the features here?
  - Animats 10y ago
    The parent article never mentions ads. Is there a version of this article for advertisers?
    - chickenfries 10y ago
      No, that is just my knowledge from using YouTube and my experience with ad trafficking. YouTube's ad revenue comes from the videos you see when you watch YouTube videos, not from the ads around the website or in the UI of the mobile app. Do the current mobile apps even have ads in the UI? I don't think they do. The point I'm trying to make is that YouTube Go offers a significantly different UX that seems to be about making YouTube more accessible on slower connections. Your speculation about ads in the UI is baseless, IMO.
      - carsongross 10y ago
        > Did you even read about any of the features here? > No, that is just my knowledge from using YouTube and my experience with ad trafficking. Never change, HackerNews comments.
        chickenfries 10y ago
        > Did you even read about any of the features here? This was referring to the fact that the main features that the article discussed were about previewing videos and peer to peer video sharing, which are tangible UX improvements that have nothing to do with showing the user more ads. Can I clear anything else up for you?
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jkot 10y ago
I think this is great idea. Many users are watching youtube offline.
- thampiman 10y ago
  Do you have any stats on youtube usage? Personally I don't use the offline feature very much.
  - executesorder66 10y ago
    A lot of people still have shitty, unreliable, expensive, and/or very limited internet connection. This is great for all of them.
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    I'm wondering if that's because of where you live? In the US at least, if your not in a top 10 city, chances are your data connection is terrible.
    - thirdsun 10y ago
      Of course it depends on where you live. Even in europe you'll find lots of underserved areas once you'll leave the cities. No provider is interested in building the network in these regions.
gtirloni 10y ago
I don't understand why a new app if this could just be an additional feature in the current app. Doesn't this lead to fragmentation and confusion?
- dubcanada 10y ago
  Yes, but Google is exceptionally good at fragmentation and confusion in regards to products. How many gmail apps do they have? Inbox, gmail, android mail (though this got deprecated), web interface, etc. Youtube now has 2 apps, a web interface. They seem to like to make new stuff, rather then upgrade their existing stuff. Then every second year they just go through their stack and deprecate 30% of it.
  - Spivak 10y ago
    You're forgetting that they also have YouTube Gaming [1] as another separate app. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.youtube.gaming https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
    - wwarren 10y ago
      Don't forget YouTube Kids as well! https://appsto.re/ca/U1q23.i https://appsto.re/ca/U1q23.i
      - 8ytecoder 10y ago
        And YT Music too!
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > Youtube now has 2 apps At least 6 apps. Youtube, Youtube Creator Studio, Youtube Kids, Youtube Music, Youtube Gaming, Youtube Go
    - Navarr 10y ago
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philfrasty 10y ago
„YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers“ = Snapchat
- lucb1e 10y ago
  Could you elaborate on that? I don't have Snapchat. From what I know it's just a chat app to send self-destructing messages and pictures.
  - philfrasty 10y ago
    I explained in the comment above from mxwell! Cheers
- mxwll 10y ago
  What? This article is about rethinking and developing a new youtube app with "offline first" in mind. It was created after researching how YouTube is consumed in India to offer a more user friendly experience. Has 0 to do with snapchat
  - philfrasty 10y ago
    I read the whole article. My comparison was criticizing (as a YouTube Creator myself) the focus YouTube had in recent years regarding innovation of the platform itself. YouTube heavily focused on things like: 360° videos, Offline (mentioned in the article), interface, comments, trends. There is 0 innovation from a creator perspective. Platforms like Snapchat make it insanely (!!!) easy to create content on a regular basis. Sure the Snapchat platform is not at all as full-fledged as YouTube but I think it is dangerously close for quite some (YouTube)genres like Vlogging and could easily be extended. EDIT to elaborate on Snapchat (for user @lucb1e): Snapchat is per se not interesting for a content-creator with a big following just to send self-destructing messages. They introduced a feature called „Stories“ a while ago which let's you take multiple clips during the day and then combines them to a „story“. Within 24 hours the viewer/subscriber can play your story and see your whole day. So you basically have a full video without ever touching Adobe-Premiere or Final-Cut. Importing, editing, exporting, uploading even for the most basic videos on YouTube takes (a lot of) time. From an analytics perspective you can check views, screenshots, etc of each individual story-element and interact with the viewers (e.g. screenshot to vote for an option).
JoshTriplett 10y ago
Hopefully this will actually work in all countries; I'd love to save videos for offline viewing while I have a wifi connection and watch them later when I don't. But that would compete with "YouTube Red". For that matter, since an offline video eliminates the buffering problem, I'd love to have the "playback speed" feature in the mobile app. The web version of YouTube supports changing the playback speed to 1.25x, 1.5x, or 2x, but the mobile version doesn't.
- ultramancool 10y ago
  Try NewPipe, it's an open source YouTube downloader and background player for Android: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.schabi.newpipe https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.schabi.newpi...
  - JoshTriplett 10y ago
    Looks promising. Doesn't seem to support subscriptions, though, which is the problem every unofficial YouTube app seems to have. Probably because logging in and accessing subscriptions requires the API, which has a ToS.
    - ultramancool 10y ago
      Yeah, the XBMC Youtube addon used to do subscriptions and the like, it was pretty nice, but I think it broke and the main developer abandoned it. Youtube-dl does support channels and resuming though so you could fairly easily just set up a cron job and use syncthing to get the videos onto your phone. No pretty GUI for that though.
    - Sylos 10y ago
      I personally use an RSS Reader to handle my "subscriptions". The YouTube-webpage also has an option to export your subscriptions to an OPML-file (which can then be imported into an RSS Reader): Log into your YouTube-account, then go to "Manage Subscriptions", and then at the bottom of that page, there's a button for it. (This is how it worked a few months ago. I actually don't have a YouTube-account anymore, so I can't check if it still works like that.) On Android, I personally use SpaRSS [0] with it, which does work quite well, but it being available on F-Droid was pretty much essential to me, so if you don't care about FLOSS, you might be able to find an RSS Reader which integrates even better with this setup... [0]: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.etuldan.sparss.floss https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.etuldan.spar...
ghostly_s 10y ago
As much as this sounds like something I would personally be very interested in, I can't help but think it doesn't fit into Google's ideal of how customers use their products. Rather I get the impression they're pursuing this begrudgingly just as a way to get into the Indian market; the announcement is notably non-committal about it ever being rolled out in the US.
- baldfat 10y ago
  I would say that I pay for YouTube Red because of in this order: Google Play Music is awesome YouTube offline videos YouTube no ads
  - m_mueller 10y ago
    I'd buy this in a heartbeat if I could. No big hopes that it will come soon where I live though - google is just not hungry like Netflix and co it seems.
  - shostack 10y ago
    But no list view for music. Because when I'm on a tiny mobile screen I want to see over 3/4 of my artist list covered in album thumbnails that I don't recognize and half the text cut off because grid view is the hot new thing. Still, hard to beat the value and the mood-based radio stations are awesome.
- flinty 10y ago
  Agreed 100%. Same was the case with Google maps download for offline use. They added that feature after a lot of feet dragging.
  - Sylos 10y ago
    I've also found the offline use in Google Maps to be horribly unreliable. I had Google Maps set up with an offline map and, two times in a row, when I wanted to actually use it, the offline map had disappeared from my phone for whatever reason. This was a good while ago, so I don't know, if it's still the case. All I know is that I switched to OsmAnd~, set that up once and since then always reliably had a map in my pocket.
skynetv2 10y ago
This should be made available every where. But then they can't charge us for offline and background play. YT would get more views actually if they allowed offline now. It would also help with the puny data allowances wireless carriers are imposing these days. The offline will take the power away (in a small way), from the carriers. They can provide the same experience as today, ads and all. People can watch YT on flights, while driving and what not. Amazon video allows offline usage today and been for a while.
- the_common_man 10y ago
  Yeah, they can even make the ads from the flight systems instead and charge airline providers :-).
amelius 10y ago
The next generation will want to download the video and store it, just in case it gets pulled because of content owner rights.
- dublinben 10y ago
  The current generation already does.
  - theandrewbailey 10y ago
    I still have lots of pre-Youtube (and even ripped Youtube) videos hanging around my backups, and I still want to keep them.
- mintplant 10y ago
  I already do this with everything online that matters to me. `wget -r`, HTTrack, and youtube-dl are great tools.
- rtpg 10y ago
  I get your point, but I wonder how much YouTube content gets watched by the same person multiple times. Like how long does a single person care about a video? Vlogs are pretty "read once"
jonthepirate 10y ago
I would love the ability to leave a video playing on my phone when I turn the screen off. I often will listen to a song but as soon as the app minimizes or the phone goes to sleep mode, it stops.
- rekuplex 10y ago
  The app doesn't allow that, but if your browse youtube trough Firefox, you can do it.
  - EdSharkey 10y ago
    add &player=html5 to the end of the YouTube url in Firefox too to get a stutter-free playback of audio (and I suspect better battery life too.)
    - niij 10y ago
      Youtube has been streaming HTML5 by default for around a year now [0]. [0]: https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/youtube-goes-html5-flash-is-now-deader/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/youtube-goes-html5-flash-i...
- joncalhoun 10y ago
  You can do this on Android. At least I can, as a Google music subscriber (so I have YouTube Red). I just tested it with a random video.
  - macspoofing 10y ago
    And if you're not in US?
    - joncalhoun 10y ago
      No idea. Sorry :(
    - tarancato 10y ago
jonthepirate 10y ago
I would love the ability to leave a video playing on my phone when I turn the screen off. I often will listen to a song but as soon as the app minimizes or the phone goes to sleep mode, it stops.
daveloyall 10y ago
Grr... Is google seeking praise for slightly loosening the shackles? This "YouTube Go" MIGHT be a media player. It MIGHT operate on files. It MIGHT be possible to share a video via some mechanism other than bluetooth. The other day I was trying to convince to a user that she should want to own her content, rather than rent it... when I suddenly realized that he doesn't know what a file is. Moreover, he doesn't realize what it is good for... Once you have a (DRM free) file, it's yours. You physically possess it. That means you can copy it, share it, back it up, print it, pipe the raw ones and zeros to your PC speaker, whatever. The next generation might not get that... The fact of the matter is that until I was college-aged, nobody taught me more about computers than Microsoft did. I read every .txt file and .hlp file that existed on my C:\ drive. Not to mention the physical manuals... Then I went on to Linux, etc. So I KNOW what a file is. You and I can have a conversation about mtimes. We can rattle off a list of traits that each file must possess to BE a file. What the heck is Google teaching this next generation?
- WalterBright 10y ago
  It isn't just Google. There's no user concept of a file on the iPhone, either.
  - daveloyall 10y ago
    When I kvetch about this kind of thing, my wife likes to remind me: it's everything. It's hard to find a can opener that will last a long time. Food is made as cheaply as possible. Movies are carefully crafted to maximize profit, not to tell stories. Advertisements lie. If you deconstruct it all down as far as you can go, you land on money. Well, I do. She says its "human nature". Whatever that is.
- exolymph 10y ago
  Owning is just so much less convenient than renting access. I vastly prefer the experience of using Spotify and Netflix to the experience of maintaining my own music and media collections.
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hubert123 10y ago
well it would be cool if i could tag a bunch of videos to be viewed offline in the app. I have a music list on youtube and sometimes i have for example a political debate that is an hour long, it would be cool if i could just tap on it in youtube to make it offline viewable instead of going through the massive hassle of downloading it somehow, transferring it to the phone etc and then maybe i dont want to watch it anyway..
- Ajedi32 10y ago
  You can do this if you have YouTube Red, or if you're subscribed to Google Music.
macspoofing 10y ago
>But even as they discover the joys of YouTube, their experience is not great on slower connections and less powerful mobile phone .. Or on fast connections but with data caps. So outside of wifi, Youtube is unusable. I'll watch two-three videos and I'll hit my monthly cap. Almost every single issue India users experience is a problem everywhere else. Every solution they came up with would be useful for users everywhere else. It feels like Google engineers live in the SV bubble where unlimited always-on connectivity is a fact of life. So thanks Google.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  If you're careful, you can get a good number of videos on a data plan, depending on what your cap is. At least, I can, but my cap is pretty big.
  - movedx 10y ago
    Can you expand more on what it is to be "careful"? What can I do to reduce the data usage when attempting to view a long video?
    - grapeshot 10y ago
      There is a setting in the YouTube app to only play in SD when not on WiFi but that may only be on Android. It's still not nearly as fine grained as it should be.
      - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        On iPhone, YouTube will only play on lowest possible quality on cellular.
qwertyuiop924 10y ago
Google still doesn't know what it's doing with YouTube. As a longtime consumer of YouTube videos, and somebody who is actually inside of the YouTube community, I understand that. The "Advertiser Friendly" policy was universally mocked for being absurd, and it is. Then there's the indication that it was behind the inexplicable monetization drops on major channels a few months back. The YouTube team has been seen to do some good stuff as well, like the Community tab, but if they want to keep the communities they've built, and the near monopoly on online video they have, they need to get out of their ivory tower, and actually understand that when they make decisions they have real effects on the monetary income of real people, and that when they change their algorithm or site design, people actually go out of business. However, at least in this case, they're taking a step in the right direction, no matter how small.
- brainspider 10y ago
  I'm amazed they had to go all the way to India to figure this out. But I'm often amazed at how little Google understand "social." The cynical side of me wonders if their misunderstanding is all intentional.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Given how much they stand to lose if YouTube loses its position, it can't be. It's like Nintendo's LP policy: they're literally throwing away money.
- erikpukinskis 10y ago
  The policy wasn't universally mocked. Maybe you're in some specific subcommunity, but browse around a little. The opinion I heard most was that the policy is understandable (there is such a thing as advertiser-unfriendly content) but people want more transparency from YouTube so they can work the system effectively.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    That's true, but the point that many made (and is correct) is that many forms of content cannot be advertised upon under the new policy. In fact, depending upon how YouTube interprets the policy, they can probably block monetization on any video they want, and still claim to be merely enforcing the policy. Finally, it's quite unlikely that this policy will be implemented fairly. If you want evidence, merely know that one of the most viewed videos on YouTube is Nicky Minaj's "Anaconda," which is rife with policy violations, but is on a VEVO channel, and thus technically published by part of YouTube itself. Do you think they'll be blocking monetization on that? No, it's not evidence, but until serious enforcing happens, it's the best I can do, and I think it's a reasonable assumption to make.
Omnipresent 10y ago
Features to combat low connectivity and the cricket gif in the images show that this change is made with Indian market in mind.
FussyZeus 10y ago
> But even as they discover the joys of YouTube, their experience is not great on slower connections and less powerful mobile phones. Why not just make this the norm? Websites do not need to be 6 MB per page (and that's with an adblocker). Google is one of the worst offenders when it comes to website bloat, including their once-famously incredibly simple search page which is now jam packed with tons of features, both requested and the majority not requested by anyone. The notion that an HTML 5 web page requires so much extra fluff to accomplish something as simple as streaming video with recommended links and a comments section is maddening. Just because some of us have bigger, faster phones with more bandwidth doesn't mean you need to make things more complicated.
bonjurkes 10y ago
"While in Nagpur, I met a young man who loved using YouTube to watch WWE wrestling and wanted to show us his favorite video. But after he found it and tapped to play, the video just wouldn’t load" I believe this is really bad example, as WWE is a "premium content" so you have to pay extra to watch it. Therefore Youtube removes those videos (there is only 2 WWE videos which is from legal accounts). So it's pretty awkward example just as "the young man in Nagpur wants to watch Game of Thrones with his HBO Go membership but he can't because of he is poor internet connection."
- ToastyMallows 10y ago
  This also struck me. I was surprised that they picked WWE of all things, you would think that video would be region locked and thus not available outside of the US, like a lot of things are.
  - izacus 10y ago
    I think that pretty much is just the reflection of the fact that Google never properly cared to bring their products outside of US. A lot of even their free services are region locked for no good reason (which is kind of opposed to Apple for example, who rarely region locks their services).
  - dingo_bat 10y ago
    I'm in India. I searched "wwe". Tons of videos. No evidence of region blocking or as another person said "premium content". Have a look: http://imgur.com/8xgmnDq http://imgur.com/8xgmnDq Maybe they are premium content in US but free here.
    - ToastyMallows 10y ago
      Thanks for the fact check! I'm glad that they're not region locked, but I know that a TON of stuff is.
  - adamrezich 10y ago
    Perhaps them using that specific example was an attempt to court Mr. McMahon into opening licensing negotiations, by demonstrating the profitability of a specific target demographic that is watching pirated content anyways.
andrewvijay 10y ago
Google's sudden push for India is kinda spooky.
- LordDragonfang 10y ago
  They're realizing that India is a good microcosm for what the majority of users actually need outside the SV bubble. http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/27/13071128/sundar-pichai-google-india-op-ed http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/27/13071128/sundar-pichai-goo...
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  Oddly enough, the billion-plus, relatively-well-educated, developing nation your CEO happens to have been born in might find itself a slightly corporate emphasis.
  - andrewvijay 10y ago
    He's not my CEO though. I would be glad if it was that way. Being a googler.
smpetrey 10y ago
But there's no SD Card interface on iOS?
izacus 10y ago
So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't seem that Google has any idea what to do with YouTube or any interest of expanding it to EU and the rest of the world. Not to mention the rampant catastrophe that's ContentID police system that's benefiting only large corporate abusers with no recourse. So I wonder, will I perhaps be able to watch talks and other videos on an airplane now using YouTube Go? Which subset of functionality will work on this soon-to-be-abandoned app? Does it even address any of the issues that content creators, Google and us users have with the platform?
- digi_owl 10y ago
  I suspect the problem is big media rather than Google.
  - izacus 10y ago
    Somehow Apple and some other companies manage to handle that way better, including offline downloads for content and the ability to give them my EUR. Google on the other hand refuses to even show us Podcasts category on Play music. Podcasts.
    - Sargos 10y ago
      Apple doesn't have anything like YouTube. And Google Play which is Google's equivalent of Apple's iTunes does allow offline downloads and does take your money.
    - fpgeek 10y ago
      You're comparing apples and oranges. Apple doesn't provide anything like YouTube. If they did, they would have similar issues - there are all sorts of legal and business constraints associated with that kind of service. A more appropriate comparison would be comparing the iTunes movie and TV store with Google's equivalent (Google Play Movies & TV): * Both have movie purchases in over 100 countries. Apple has TV purchases in 6 countries [1]. Google has them in 8 [2] * Both allow offline download of purchased videos. Google also allows downloading purchases to SD cards (less relevant for Apple). * Google has a web-based player for purchased videos. Apple doesn't, AFAIK. * Apple has carrier billing in 6 countries [3]. Google has it in 45 [4]. Google also allows you to use PayPal in a number of countries. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204411 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204411 [2] https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2843119?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2843119?hl=en [3] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205102 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205102 [4] https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2651410?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2651410?hl=en
bitwize 10y ago
Holy shit you guys, some people actually use our apps from devices lacking an always-on connection! This is the revolution that will give rise to Web 4.0 -- apps that can work without the internet! It'll be the biggest thing since the recent development of Web pages that automatically reconfigure to fit different screen sizes!
ty_ 10y ago
In China, download video for offline viewing is a standard feature of all domestic video app, even on PC.
SixSigma 10y ago
India : Bollywood & Cricket, yeah!
dingo_bat 10y ago
So can I finally delete the fortune app from my phone? I think this forced installation of tens of useless Google apps on android is horrible. I don't use their crappy services and I should be able to delete their apps from my phone. And I don't want to root because that invalidates knox in my phone, which I need for office stuff. I'm excited to use this new app but the older one should be deletable.
- gman99 10y ago
  The "Fortune" app? As you mention knox, I assume this is an app that Samsung force installs on your phone; so I don't really see what Google can do (without locking Android down even more, and I'd rather they didn't). Google is mostly going in the opposite direction and allowing you to uninstall any apps you don't use [1] -- admittedly, the Youtube app is not one of them on my 6P. But, I can disable it so it's not visible in the app drawer. In fact I can disable all the google apps and have always been able to do so (the only exceptions are non-Google, "system" apps). Doesn't help if you buy a Samsung phone though.... [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=nexus+uninstall+google+apps https://www.google.com/search?q=nexus+uninstall+google+apps
  - dingo_bat 10y ago
    Fortune was supposed to be YouTube. And I know I can "disable" it. I don't want to disable it, I want to delete it.
sridca 10y ago
From http://www.youtubego.com/signup/ http://www.youtubego.com/signup/ > Mazze udao, data nahin What language is this?
- ilarum 10y ago
  Hindi, I guess.
- 1024core 10y ago
  It is in Hindi. A literal translation would be something like "blow your fun, not your data", where the first "blow" means "expand", and the second "blow" is the traditional "explode" or "destroy".
  - sridca 10y ago
    Thanks. I'm from India and I speak Tamil. It is eldritch when people use Hindi as representative of the whole country. Hindi, along with English, may be an official language - but more than half the population do not speak it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers_in_India#More_than_one_million_speakers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of...
skeltoac 10y ago
I want to know who or what will decide what to put in the preview. Will content creators have any control over this? If previews are strictly algorithmic, will there be recourse in case a certain preview misrepresents or spoils the content?
self_awareness 10y ago
On Android there is also Youtube Downloader that works quite nicely: https://dentex.github.io/apps/youtubedownloader/ https://dentex.github.io/apps/youtubedownloader/
stuaxo 10y ago
Right, now do the same for Gmail - the offline search is terrible when you are not connected.
5partan 10y ago
Ad "even wrestling": there was wrestling in India centuries before even Eric the Red discovered America.
ausjke 10y ago
since long time ago I could download youtube for offline watching already so what's new here, I tried two minutes to read this article and gave up, I wish it pinpoints what youtube-go really is and give me the answer in 144 words.

338 points by scommab 10y ago

Great to see Google splintering off into single duty compartments instead of spreading itself so thin that nothing gets done with the same amount of focus. Alphabet was a true design decision, and a mature one at that. One thing that crossed my mind recently was the notion of Google and its long relationship with hardware: we have this thing called the Blockchain now, and it could do with some of Google's hardware to run on, instead of independent factions of people spending their pocket money on their own hardware. It kind of makes me jealous and annoyed that so much could be spent for what effectively is sometimes just a data center for storing people's holiday snaps on Google Plus, when it could be used to host micro democracies and change the direction of finance. I suspect all that hardware will eventually be re-purposed many times throughout the course of the Google experiment and probably will eventually be given away at some point to the blockchainers who need it. I can picture the scene: dreadlocked decentralists rejoicing at their new hardware gift from Google, 25+ years from now. The ultimate redemption from their years of slavishly handing their personal information over to Google in exchange for a decent search experience. A true revenge for consumers of Google. Meanwhile Google would have entirely switched to SSDs and are probably using post-quantum chips, but at least we can host multiple different blockchains now without spending our pocket money on them. The blockchainers can start to get rich and blockchain can really flourish. Also, Google needs to create services which are for a post Snowden world. Allo is cute, but entirely inferior to things like Signal which addresses the problem of encrypted private chat head on. Google needs to create things like its own VPN service, perhaps?

Animats 10y ago

From a user perspective, the purpose of YouTube is to play out videos. Time spent in YouTube's user interface is a means for getting to the videos. But from Google's perspective, the revenue comes from time in the user interface, where the ads are. "Reimagined" probably means "more ad slots".

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chickenfries 10y ago
Are you serious? The valuable ads are IN the videos. Did you even read about any of the features here?
- Animats 10y ago
  The parent article never mentions ads. Is there a version of this article for advertisers?
  - chickenfries 10y ago
    No, that is just my knowledge from using YouTube and my experience with ad trafficking. YouTube's ad revenue comes from the videos you see when you watch YouTube videos, not from the ads around the website or in the UI of the mobile app. Do the current mobile apps even have ads in the UI? I don't think they do. The point I'm trying to make is that YouTube Go offers a significantly different UX that seems to be about making YouTube more accessible on slower connections. Your speculation about ads in the UI is baseless, IMO.
    - carsongross 10y ago
      > Did you even read about any of the features here? > No, that is just my knowledge from using YouTube and my experience with ad trafficking. Never change, HackerNews comments.
      - chickenfries 10y ago
        > Did you even read about any of the features here? This was referring to the fact that the main features that the article discussed were about previewing videos and peer to peer video sharing, which are tangible UX improvements that have nothing to do with showing the user more ads. Can I clear anything else up for you?

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jkot 10y ago

I think this is great idea. Many users are watching youtube offline.

thampiman 10y ago
Do you have any stats on youtube usage? Personally I don't use the offline feature very much.
- executesorder66 10y ago
  A lot of people still have shitty, unreliable, expensive, and/or very limited internet connection. This is great for all of them.
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  I'm wondering if that's because of where you live? In the US at least, if your not in a top 10 city, chances are your data connection is terrible.
  - thirdsun 10y ago
    Of course it depends on where you live. Even in europe you'll find lots of underserved areas once you'll leave the cities. No provider is interested in building the network in these regions.

gtirloni 10y ago

I don't understand why a new app if this could just be an additional feature in the current app. Doesn't this lead to fragmentation and confusion?

dubcanada 10y ago
Yes, but Google is exceptionally good at fragmentation and confusion in regards to products. How many gmail apps do they have? Inbox, gmail, android mail (though this got deprecated), web interface, etc. Youtube now has 2 apps, a web interface. They seem to like to make new stuff, rather then upgrade their existing stuff. Then every second year they just go through their stack and deprecate 30% of it.
- Spivak 10y ago
  You're forgetting that they also have YouTube Gaming [1] as another separate app. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.youtube.gaming https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
  - wwarren 10y ago
    Don't forget YouTube Kids as well! https://appsto.re/ca/U1q23.i https://appsto.re/ca/U1q23.i
    - 8ytecoder 10y ago
      And YT Music too!
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > Youtube now has 2 apps At least 6 apps. Youtube, Youtube Creator Studio, Youtube Kids, Youtube Music, Youtube Gaming, Youtube Go
  - Navarr 10y ago

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philfrasty 10y ago

„YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers“ = Snapchat

lucb1e 10y ago
Could you elaborate on that? I don't have Snapchat. From what I know it's just a chat app to send self-destructing messages and pictures.
- philfrasty 10y ago
  I explained in the comment above from mxwell! Cheers
mxwll 10y ago
What? This article is about rethinking and developing a new youtube app with "offline first" in mind. It was created after researching how YouTube is consumed in India to offer a more user friendly experience. Has 0 to do with snapchat
- philfrasty 10y ago
  I read the whole article. My comparison was criticizing (as a YouTube Creator myself) the focus YouTube had in recent years regarding innovation of the platform itself. YouTube heavily focused on things like: 360° videos, Offline (mentioned in the article), interface, comments, trends. There is 0 innovation from a creator perspective. Platforms like Snapchat make it insanely (!!!) easy to create content on a regular basis. Sure the Snapchat platform is not at all as full-fledged as YouTube but I think it is dangerously close for quite some (YouTube)genres like Vlogging and could easily be extended. EDIT to elaborate on Snapchat (for user @lucb1e): Snapchat is per se not interesting for a content-creator with a big following just to send self-destructing messages. They introduced a feature called „Stories“ a while ago which let's you take multiple clips during the day and then combines them to a „story“. Within 24 hours the viewer/subscriber can play your story and see your whole day. So you basically have a full video without ever touching Adobe-Premiere or Final-Cut. Importing, editing, exporting, uploading even for the most basic videos on YouTube takes (a lot of) time. From an analytics perspective you can check views, screenshots, etc of each individual story-element and interact with the viewers (e.g. screenshot to vote for an option).

JoshTriplett 10y ago

Hopefully this will actually work in all countries; I'd love to save videos for offline viewing while I have a wifi connection and watch them later when I don't. But that would compete with "YouTube Red". For that matter, since an offline video eliminates the buffering problem, I'd love to have the "playback speed" feature in the mobile app. The web version of YouTube supports changing the playback speed to 1.25x, 1.5x, or 2x, but the mobile version doesn't.

ultramancool 10y ago
Try NewPipe, it's an open source YouTube downloader and background player for Android: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.schabi.newpipe https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.schabi.newpi...
- JoshTriplett 10y ago
  Looks promising. Doesn't seem to support subscriptions, though, which is the problem every unofficial YouTube app seems to have. Probably because logging in and accessing subscriptions requires the API, which has a ToS.
  - ultramancool 10y ago
    Yeah, the XBMC Youtube addon used to do subscriptions and the like, it was pretty nice, but I think it broke and the main developer abandoned it. Youtube-dl does support channels and resuming though so you could fairly easily just set up a cron job and use syncthing to get the videos onto your phone. No pretty GUI for that though.
  - Sylos 10y ago
    I personally use an RSS Reader to handle my "subscriptions". The YouTube-webpage also has an option to export your subscriptions to an OPML-file (which can then be imported into an RSS Reader): Log into your YouTube-account, then go to "Manage Subscriptions", and then at the bottom of that page, there's a button for it. (This is how it worked a few months ago. I actually don't have a YouTube-account anymore, so I can't check if it still works like that.) On Android, I personally use SpaRSS [0] with it, which does work quite well, but it being available on F-Droid was pretty much essential to me, so if you don't care about FLOSS, you might be able to find an RSS Reader which integrates even better with this setup... [0]: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.etuldan.sparss.floss https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.etuldan.spar...

ghostly_s 10y ago

As much as this sounds like something I would personally be very interested in, I can't help but think it doesn't fit into Google's ideal of how customers use their products. Rather I get the impression they're pursuing this begrudgingly just as a way to get into the Indian market; the announcement is notably non-committal about it ever being rolled out in the US.

baldfat 10y ago
I would say that I pay for YouTube Red because of in this order: Google Play Music is awesome YouTube offline videos YouTube no ads
- m_mueller 10y ago
  I'd buy this in a heartbeat if I could. No big hopes that it will come soon where I live though - google is just not hungry like Netflix and co it seems.
- shostack 10y ago
  But no list view for music. Because when I'm on a tiny mobile screen I want to see over 3/4 of my artist list covered in album thumbnails that I don't recognize and half the text cut off because grid view is the hot new thing. Still, hard to beat the value and the mood-based radio stations are awesome.
flinty 10y ago
Agreed 100%. Same was the case with Google maps download for offline use. They added that feature after a lot of feet dragging.
- Sylos 10y ago
  I've also found the offline use in Google Maps to be horribly unreliable. I had Google Maps set up with an offline map and, two times in a row, when I wanted to actually use it, the offline map had disappeared from my phone for whatever reason. This was a good while ago, so I don't know, if it's still the case. All I know is that I switched to OsmAnd~, set that up once and since then always reliably had a map in my pocket.

skynetv2 10y ago

This should be made available every where. But then they can't charge us for offline and background play. YT would get more views actually if they allowed offline now. It would also help with the puny data allowances wireless carriers are imposing these days. The offline will take the power away (in a small way), from the carriers. They can provide the same experience as today, ads and all. People can watch YT on flights, while driving and what not. Amazon video allows offline usage today and been for a while.

the_common_man 10y ago
Yeah, they can even make the ads from the flight systems instead and charge airline providers :-).

amelius 10y ago

The next generation will want to download the video and store it, just in case it gets pulled because of content owner rights.

dublinben 10y ago
The current generation already does.
- theandrewbailey 10y ago
  I still have lots of pre-Youtube (and even ripped Youtube) videos hanging around my backups, and I still want to keep them.
mintplant 10y ago
I already do this with everything online that matters to me. `wget -r`, HTTrack, and youtube-dl are great tools.
rtpg 10y ago
I get your point, but I wonder how much YouTube content gets watched by the same person multiple times. Like how long does a single person care about a video? Vlogs are pretty "read once"

jonthepirate 10y ago

I would love the ability to leave a video playing on my phone when I turn the screen off. I often will listen to a song but as soon as the app minimizes or the phone goes to sleep mode, it stops.

rekuplex 10y ago
The app doesn't allow that, but if your browse youtube trough Firefox, you can do it.
- EdSharkey 10y ago
  add &player=html5 to the end of the YouTube url in Firefox too to get a stutter-free playback of audio (and I suspect better battery life too.)
  - niij 10y ago
    Youtube has been streaming HTML5 by default for around a year now [0]. [0]: https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/youtube-goes-html5-flash-is-now-deader/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/youtube-goes-html5-flash-i...
joncalhoun 10y ago
You can do this on Android. At least I can, as a Google music subscriber (so I have YouTube Red). I just tested it with a random video.
- macspoofing 10y ago
  And if you're not in US?
  - joncalhoun 10y ago
    No idea. Sorry :(
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jonthepirate 10y ago

I would love the ability to leave a video playing on my phone when I turn the screen off. I often will listen to a song but as soon as the app minimizes or the phone goes to sleep mode, it stops.

daveloyall 10y ago

Grr... Is google seeking praise for slightly loosening the shackles? This "YouTube Go" MIGHT be a media player. It MIGHT operate on files. It MIGHT be possible to share a video via some mechanism other than bluetooth. The other day I was trying to convince to a user that she should want to own her content, rather than rent it... when I suddenly realized that he doesn't know what a file is. Moreover, he doesn't realize what it is good for... Once you have a (DRM free) file, it's yours. You physically possess it. That means you can copy it, share it, back it up, print it, pipe the raw ones and zeros to your PC speaker, whatever. The next generation might not get that... The fact of the matter is that until I was college-aged, nobody taught me more about computers than Microsoft did. I read every .txt file and .hlp file that existed on my C:\ drive. Not to mention the physical manuals... Then I went on to Linux, etc. So I KNOW what a file is. You and I can have a conversation about mtimes. We can rattle off a list of traits that each file must possess to BE a file. What the heck is Google teaching this next generation?

WalterBright 10y ago
It isn't just Google. There's no user concept of a file on the iPhone, either.
- daveloyall 10y ago
  When I kvetch about this kind of thing, my wife likes to remind me: it's everything. It's hard to find a can opener that will last a long time. Food is made as cheaply as possible. Movies are carefully crafted to maximize profit, not to tell stories. Advertisements lie. If you deconstruct it all down as far as you can go, you land on money. Well, I do. She says its "human nature". Whatever that is.
exolymph 10y ago
Owning is just so much less convenient than renting access. I vastly prefer the experience of using Spotify and Netflix to the experience of maintaining my own music and media collections.
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hubert123 10y ago

well it would be cool if i could tag a bunch of videos to be viewed offline in the app. I have a music list on youtube and sometimes i have for example a political debate that is an hour long, it would be cool if i could just tap on it in youtube to make it offline viewable instead of going through the massive hassle of downloading it somehow, transferring it to the phone etc and then maybe i dont want to watch it anyway..

Ajedi32 10y ago
You can do this if you have YouTube Red, or if you're subscribed to Google Music.

macspoofing 10y ago

>But even as they discover the joys of YouTube, their experience is not great on slower connections and less powerful mobile phone .. Or on fast connections but with data caps. So outside of wifi, Youtube is unusable. I'll watch two-three videos and I'll hit my monthly cap. Almost every single issue India users experience is a problem everywhere else. Every solution they came up with would be useful for users everywhere else. It feels like Google engineers live in the SV bubble where unlimited always-on connectivity is a fact of life. So thanks Google.

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
If you're careful, you can get a good number of videos on a data plan, depending on what your cap is. At least, I can, but my cap is pretty big.
- movedx 10y ago
  Can you expand more on what it is to be "careful"? What can I do to reduce the data usage when attempting to view a long video?
  - grapeshot 10y ago
    There is a setting in the YouTube app to only play in SD when not on WiFi but that may only be on Android. It's still not nearly as fine grained as it should be.
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      On iPhone, YouTube will only play on lowest possible quality on cellular.

qwertyuiop924 10y ago

Google still doesn't know what it's doing with YouTube. As a longtime consumer of YouTube videos, and somebody who is actually inside of the YouTube community, I understand that. The "Advertiser Friendly" policy was universally mocked for being absurd, and it is. Then there's the indication that it was behind the inexplicable monetization drops on major channels a few months back. The YouTube team has been seen to do some good stuff as well, like the Community tab, but if they want to keep the communities they've built, and the near monopoly on online video they have, they need to get out of their ivory tower, and actually understand that when they make decisions they have real effects on the monetary income of real people, and that when they change their algorithm or site design, people actually go out of business. However, at least in this case, they're taking a step in the right direction, no matter how small.

brainspider 10y ago
I'm amazed they had to go all the way to India to figure this out. But I'm often amazed at how little Google understand "social." The cynical side of me wonders if their misunderstanding is all intentional.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Given how much they stand to lose if YouTube loses its position, it can't be. It's like Nintendo's LP policy: they're literally throwing away money.
erikpukinskis 10y ago
The policy wasn't universally mocked. Maybe you're in some specific subcommunity, but browse around a little. The opinion I heard most was that the policy is understandable (there is such a thing as advertiser-unfriendly content) but people want more transparency from YouTube so they can work the system effectively.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  That's true, but the point that many made (and is correct) is that many forms of content cannot be advertised upon under the new policy. In fact, depending upon how YouTube interprets the policy, they can probably block monetization on any video they want, and still claim to be merely enforcing the policy. Finally, it's quite unlikely that this policy will be implemented fairly. If you want evidence, merely know that one of the most viewed videos on YouTube is Nicky Minaj's "Anaconda," which is rife with policy violations, but is on a VEVO channel, and thus technically published by part of YouTube itself. Do you think they'll be blocking monetization on that? No, it's not evidence, but until serious enforcing happens, it's the best I can do, and I think it's a reasonable assumption to make.

Omnipresent 10y ago

Features to combat low connectivity and the cricket gif in the images show that this change is made with Indian market in mind.

FussyZeus 10y ago

> But even as they discover the joys of YouTube, their experience is not great on slower connections and less powerful mobile phones. Why not just make this the norm? Websites do not need to be 6 MB per page (and that's with an adblocker). Google is one of the worst offenders when it comes to website bloat, including their once-famously incredibly simple search page which is now jam packed with tons of features, both requested and the majority not requested by anyone. The notion that an HTML 5 web page requires so much extra fluff to accomplish something as simple as streaming video with recommended links and a comments section is maddening. Just because some of us have bigger, faster phones with more bandwidth doesn't mean you need to make things more complicated.

bonjurkes 10y ago

"While in Nagpur, I met a young man who loved using YouTube to watch WWE wrestling and wanted to show us his favorite video. But after he found it and tapped to play, the video just wouldn’t load" I believe this is really bad example, as WWE is a "premium content" so you have to pay extra to watch it. Therefore Youtube removes those videos (there is only 2 WWE videos which is from legal accounts). So it's pretty awkward example just as "the young man in Nagpur wants to watch Game of Thrones with his HBO Go membership but he can't because of he is poor internet connection."

ToastyMallows 10y ago
This also struck me. I was surprised that they picked WWE of all things, you would think that video would be region locked and thus not available outside of the US, like a lot of things are.
- izacus 10y ago
  I think that pretty much is just the reflection of the fact that Google never properly cared to bring their products outside of US. A lot of even their free services are region locked for no good reason (which is kind of opposed to Apple for example, who rarely region locks their services).
- dingo_bat 10y ago
  I'm in India. I searched "wwe". Tons of videos. No evidence of region blocking or as another person said "premium content". Have a look: http://imgur.com/8xgmnDq http://imgur.com/8xgmnDq Maybe they are premium content in US but free here.
  - ToastyMallows 10y ago
    Thanks for the fact check! I'm glad that they're not region locked, but I know that a TON of stuff is.
- adamrezich 10y ago
  Perhaps them using that specific example was an attempt to court Mr. McMahon into opening licensing negotiations, by demonstrating the profitability of a specific target demographic that is watching pirated content anyways.

andrewvijay 10y ago

Google's sudden push for India is kinda spooky.

LordDragonfang 10y ago
They're realizing that India is a good microcosm for what the majority of users actually need outside the SV bubble. http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/27/13071128/sundar-pichai-google-india-op-ed http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/27/13071128/sundar-pichai-goo...
dredmorbius 10y ago
Oddly enough, the billion-plus, relatively-well-educated, developing nation your CEO happens to have been born in might find itself a slightly corporate emphasis.
- andrewvijay 10y ago
  He's not my CEO though. I would be glad if it was that way. Being a googler.

smpetrey 10y ago

But there's no SD Card interface on iOS?

izacus 10y ago

So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't seem that Google has any idea what to do with YouTube or any interest of expanding it to EU and the rest of the world. Not to mention the rampant catastrophe that's ContentID police system that's benefiting only large corporate abusers with no recourse. So I wonder, will I perhaps be able to watch talks and other videos on an airplane now using YouTube Go? Which subset of functionality will work on this soon-to-be-abandoned app? Does it even address any of the issues that content creators, Google and us users have with the platform?

digi_owl 10y ago
I suspect the problem is big media rather than Google.
- izacus 10y ago
  Somehow Apple and some other companies manage to handle that way better, including offline downloads for content and the ability to give them my EUR. Google on the other hand refuses to even show us Podcasts category on Play music. Podcasts.
  - Sargos 10y ago
    Apple doesn't have anything like YouTube. And Google Play which is Google's equivalent of Apple's iTunes does allow offline downloads and does take your money.
  - fpgeek 10y ago
    You're comparing apples and oranges. Apple doesn't provide anything like YouTube. If they did, they would have similar issues - there are all sorts of legal and business constraints associated with that kind of service. A more appropriate comparison would be comparing the iTunes movie and TV store with Google's equivalent (Google Play Movies & TV): * Both have movie purchases in over 100 countries. Apple has TV purchases in 6 countries [1]. Google has them in 8 [2] * Both allow offline download of purchased videos. Google also allows downloading purchases to SD cards (less relevant for Apple). * Google has a web-based player for purchased videos. Apple doesn't, AFAIK. * Apple has carrier billing in 6 countries [3]. Google has it in 45 [4]. Google also allows you to use PayPal in a number of countries. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204411 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204411 [2] https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2843119?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2843119?hl=en [3] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205102 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205102 [4] https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2651410?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2651410?hl=en

bitwize 10y ago

Holy shit you guys, some people actually use our apps from devices lacking an always-on connection! This is the revolution that will give rise to Web 4.0 -- apps that can work without the internet! It'll be the biggest thing since the recent development of Web pages that automatically reconfigure to fit different screen sizes!

ty_ 10y ago

In China, download video for offline viewing is a standard feature of all domestic video app, even on PC.

SixSigma 10y ago

India : Bollywood & Cricket, yeah!

dingo_bat 10y ago

So can I finally delete the fortune app from my phone? I think this forced installation of tens of useless Google apps on android is horrible. I don't use their crappy services and I should be able to delete their apps from my phone. And I don't want to root because that invalidates knox in my phone, which I need for office stuff. I'm excited to use this new app but the older one should be deletable.

gman99 10y ago
The "Fortune" app? As you mention knox, I assume this is an app that Samsung force installs on your phone; so I don't really see what Google can do (without locking Android down even more, and I'd rather they didn't). Google is mostly going in the opposite direction and allowing you to uninstall any apps you don't use [1] -- admittedly, the Youtube app is not one of them on my 6P. But, I can disable it so it's not visible in the app drawer. In fact I can disable all the google apps and have always been able to do so (the only exceptions are non-Google, "system" apps). Doesn't help if you buy a Samsung phone though.... [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=nexus+uninstall+google+apps https://www.google.com/search?q=nexus+uninstall+google+apps
- dingo_bat 10y ago
  Fortune was supposed to be YouTube. And I know I can "disable" it. I don't want to disable it, I want to delete it.

sridca 10y ago

From http://www.youtubego.com/signup/ http://www.youtubego.com/signup/ > Mazze udao, data nahin What language is this?

ilarum 10y ago
Hindi, I guess.
1024core 10y ago
It is in Hindi. A literal translation would be something like "blow your fun, not your data", where the first "blow" means "expand", and the second "blow" is the traditional "explode" or "destroy".
- sridca 10y ago
  Thanks. I'm from India and I speak Tamil. It is eldritch when people use Hindi as representative of the whole country. Hindi, along with English, may be an official language - but more than half the population do not speak it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers_in_India#More_than_one_million_speakers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of...

skeltoac 10y ago

I want to know who or what will decide what to put in the preview. Will content creators have any control over this? If previews are strictly algorithmic, will there be recourse in case a certain preview misrepresents or spoils the content?

self_awareness 10y ago

On Android there is also Youtube Downloader that works quite nicely: https://dentex.github.io/apps/youtubedownloader/ https://dentex.github.io/apps/youtubedownloader/

stuaxo 10y ago

Right, now do the same for Gmail - the offline search is terrible when you are not connected.

5partan 10y ago

Ad "even wrestling": there was wrestling in India centuries before even Eric the Red discovered America.

ausjke 10y ago

since long time ago I could download youtube for offline watching already so what's new here, I tried two minutes to read this article and gave up, I wish it pinpoints what youtube-go really is and give me the answer in 144 words.