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Not really... If all of my friends buy a Starbucks latte, I'm not forced to also buy a Starbucks latte just to interact with them. I could hang out with them a

by tw04 10y ago

Not really... If all of my friends buy a Starbucks latte, I'm not forced to also buy a Starbucks latte just to interact with them. I could hang out with them at Starbucks drinking a Caribou latte, or not drink any coffee at all. If all my friends buy Jordans, I don't have to buy a pair of Jordans to join their game of pickup basketball. Heck I don't even need shoes (not recommended but to each his own). If all of my friends choose to use WhatsApp messenger, my options are to not communicate with them at all (a non-starter), or to also use WhatsApp.

ryandrake 10y ago
Or to call them on the phone, talk to them in person, send them an E-mail or letter.. You know, the things we all did in ancient times like 5 years ago?
- tw04 10y ago
  Yes, it's completely reasonable to replace real-time group chat with... a conference call among 6 friends? Hey guys, I know ALL of you chat with WhatsApp, but can we move to email just for me and my concerns around security that you don't care about at all? Seriously... you can make completely unreasonable suggestions until you're blue in the face but it's not going to change reality. There are very real social pressures at play in this discussion. Yes, it turns out peer pressure is a real thing and has a very prominent role in this discussion. Do you really think Facebook would've spent $19* BILLION on WhatsApp if they thought people would be willing to drop it at the first sign of inconvenience? They know they've got lock-in through sheer market adoption of the platform. If they didn't, they would've just stuck with the facebook messenger path they were already heading down.
  - oldsj 10y ago
    Wasnt it $19 billion?
    - tw04 10y ago
      You are absolutely right, I guess I better correct that, thanks!
  - ryandrake 10y ago
    I don't know what app-of-the-week my friends use to chat with each other, but they return my E-mails and answer my phone calls. If one's friends won't communicate with them unless they're using a particular brand of messaging app, are they really friends?
    - tw04 10y ago
      Yes, they're really friends. If my friends all use whatsapp to organize parties, and I refuse to use it and force them to email me as a special one-off, am I really a friend? Because I know they'd love to have a back-and-forth conversation about timing/place/duties related to the party, then have to constantly send one-off emails to get my feedback. Let me guess - in your world they're all assholes for not constantly inconveniencing themselves to cater specifically to what you want. Or you just literally have no social life, because picking up a phone isn't really a viable option to plan a party with a large group of friends. And while email will work, when nobody else wants to use it and you try to force the issue, you're an asshole.
      - Fogest 10y ago
        >Let me guess - in your world they're all assholes for not constantly inconveniencing themselves to cater specifically to what you want. Or you just literally have no social life, It is probably this. It is not a hard concept to understand. I do not force my friends to use other services, and doing so would just be causing them an inconvenience and annoy them. Yes they are friends, but having to be a special butterfly doesn't mean they have to like that.
      - ryandrake 10y ago
        I'm not sure I understand what's motivating the hostility. I don't force my friends to not use whatever social media apps they enjoy, and they don't force me to use them. I'm not sure how either of these attitudes make anyone an "asshole".

by tw04 10y ago

ryandrake 10y ago

Or to call them on the phone, talk to them in person, send them an E-mail or letter.. You know, the things we all did in ancient times like 5 years ago?

tw04 10y ago
Yes, it's completely reasonable to replace real-time group chat with... a conference call among 6 friends? Hey guys, I know ALL of you chat with WhatsApp, but can we move to email just for me and my concerns around security that you don't care about at all? Seriously... you can make completely unreasonable suggestions until you're blue in the face but it's not going to change reality. There are very real social pressures at play in this discussion. Yes, it turns out peer pressure is a real thing and has a very prominent role in this discussion. Do you really think Facebook would've spent $19* BILLION on WhatsApp if they thought people would be willing to drop it at the first sign of inconvenience? They know they've got lock-in through sheer market adoption of the platform. If they didn't, they would've just stuck with the facebook messenger path they were already heading down.
- oldsj 10y ago
  Wasnt it $19 billion?
  - tw04 10y ago
    You are absolutely right, I guess I better correct that, thanks!
- ryandrake 10y ago
  I don't know what app-of-the-week my friends use to chat with each other, but they return my E-mails and answer my phone calls. If one's friends won't communicate with them unless they're using a particular brand of messaging app, are they really friends?
  - tw04 10y ago
    Yes, they're really friends. If my friends all use whatsapp to organize parties, and I refuse to use it and force them to email me as a special one-off, am I really a friend? Because I know they'd love to have a back-and-forth conversation about timing/place/duties related to the party, then have to constantly send one-off emails to get my feedback. Let me guess - in your world they're all assholes for not constantly inconveniencing themselves to cater specifically to what you want. Or you just literally have no social life, because picking up a phone isn't really a viable option to plan a party with a large group of friends. And while email will work, when nobody else wants to use it and you try to force the issue, you're an asshole.
    - Fogest 10y ago
      >Let me guess - in your world they're all assholes for not constantly inconveniencing themselves to cater specifically to what you want. Or you just literally have no social life, It is probably this. It is not a hard concept to understand. I do not force my friends to use other services, and doing so would just be causing them an inconvenience and annoy them. Yes they are friends, but having to be a special butterfly doesn't mean they have to like that.
    - ryandrake 10y ago
      I'm not sure I understand what's motivating the hostility. I don't force my friends to not use whatever social media apps they enjoy, and they don't force me to use them. I'm not sure how either of these attitudes make anyone an "asshole".