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People don't have an unrestricted right to their property, because actions on your property affect the property rights of others.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
"Rights" have been stretched to mean, whatever is profitable or desirable for some group. In fact, owning the property is as far as it goes. Enjoying it. The interpretation that your neighbor's use of their property affects your 'enjoyment' of your own is a stretch.
- stinkytaco 10y ago
  I disagree, especially if a property creates negative externalaties. Smell, noise, parking issues, etc. are all quality of life problems. I shouldn't be able to tell a neighbor what color to paint their house, but I think it's ok to make sure a neighbor mows their lawn or shovels their sidewalk. Both of these issue impact me directly, and not just in preference. The problem with not having zoning is that you end up with a two tiered housing system. People who can afford it move into private communities where standards can be enforced, and people who can't just live wherever they can find, despite their neighbors. Since I can't afford a private community where I can distance myself from my neighbors, I will support zoning restrictions, thank you.
davidw 10y ago
That's what I meant about there being 'a line' somewhere. No one much wants to see a toxic waste storage facility near housing. People seem to mostly be ok with the law not being used to prevent people with children from moving in to a neighborhood though, even though kids can be noisy and "change the character of the neighborhood". Once upon a time, it was pretty normal to restrict black people from moving into a neighborhood too. That's no longer acceptable. I think modern zoning is way too restrictive. Central planning was best left to die with the Soviet Union.
- nradov 10y ago
  There are age-restricted communities which don't allow people with children to move in. I don't know whether this is a good idea, but it is legal in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age-restricted_community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age-restricted_community
  - davidw 10y ago
    Certainly, but those are private in nature, require buying in, and do not cover nearly every major city, as zoning does.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago

"Rights" have been stretched to mean, whatever is profitable or desirable for some group. In fact, owning the property is as far as it goes. Enjoying it. The interpretation that your neighbor's use of their property affects your 'enjoyment' of your own is a stretch.

stinkytaco 10y ago
I disagree, especially if a property creates negative externalaties. Smell, noise, parking issues, etc. are all quality of life problems. I shouldn't be able to tell a neighbor what color to paint their house, but I think it's ok to make sure a neighbor mows their lawn or shovels their sidewalk. Both of these issue impact me directly, and not just in preference. The problem with not having zoning is that you end up with a two tiered housing system. People who can afford it move into private communities where standards can be enforced, and people who can't just live wherever they can find, despite their neighbors. Since I can't afford a private community where I can distance myself from my neighbors, I will support zoning restrictions, thank you.

davidw 10y ago

That's what I meant about there being 'a line' somewhere. No one much wants to see a toxic waste storage facility near housing. People seem to mostly be ok with the law not being used to prevent people with children from moving in to a neighborhood though, even though kids can be noisy and "change the character of the neighborhood". Once upon a time, it was pretty normal to restrict black people from moving into a neighborhood too. That's no longer acceptable. I think modern zoning is way too restrictive. Central planning was best left to die with the Soviet Union.

nradov 10y ago
There are age-restricted communities which don't allow people with children to move in. I don't know whether this is a good idea, but it is legal in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age-restricted_community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age-restricted_community
- davidw 10y ago
  Certainly, but those are private in nature, require buying in, and do not cover nearly every major city, as zoning does.