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This is a very nice move to see. Other people have discussed washing machines below, but there's even more to say on them. Washing machines used to have long w
by hlandau 10y ago
This is a very nice move to see.
Other people have discussed washing machines below, but there's even more to say on them. Washing machines used to have long warranty periods. Nowadays they tend to be sold with a 2 year warranty, which I believe in the EU is the required minimum. And these manufacturers (Bosch, for example) even have the gall to claim that their products are high quality and that this warranty period somehow proves this, or is in any way a long period.
AFAIK washing machines used to have 10 year warranties, but they cost more along the lines of £800. Now we have £250 washing machines with 2 year warranties. One way of reducing costs is to reduce the number of parts. Sealed tanks, as mentioned below, are one such example. This directly impairs the repairability of the product.
I suspect also that models are released at greater frequency, possibly due to a need to take advantage of price fluctuations in wholesale parts markets (if you can make a washing machine using Part A or Part B, and one month A is more expensive than B, and then this inverts, this creates pressure to constantly design new models to minimise pricing). Though this is just a suspicion, it would make sense: I do know that the (monolithic) spare parts are stocked for a particular model for less time, which means that the prices of the spares which are available are very high.
Water efficiency regulations also appear to have forced modern washing machines to use inadequate water for rinsing. There are numerous stories of hypoallergenic people who find that their new washing machine leaves significant detergent in clothing. Some people have even tracked down old (and for that matter better made) washing machines just to get one which will rinse properly. At other times the actual temperature of the water on the '60 degree' setting has been tested and found to be rather on the low side. (Supposedly all of this efficiency regulation, rather pathetically, only tests the 60 degree programme in the first place, putting a certain degree of competitive pressure on energy efficiency for this setting.) This is particularly insane given that the environmental cost of these quasi-disposable 2-year-warranty washing machines must be much higher than the environmental cost of their resource consumption.
I think consumer goods legislation should recognise that different minimum warranty periods are appropriate for different kinds of product. A legally required minimum warranty period of 6 or 8 years for washing machines, for example, would instantly create pressure on manufacturers to increase the longevity and repairability of their machines.
- intrasight 10y ago>just to get one which will rinse properly Much easier to do what I do - run the rinse cycle a 2nd time.
- hlandau 10y agoIt might be better to run a wash cycle with an empty detergent drawer. Repeating the same rinse cycle with inadequate water won't necessarily help. (Though it wouldn't surprise me if the standalone 'rinse' programme used more water than rinsing as part of a wash programme...) Supposedly the 'extra rinse' or 'rinse plus' buttons which you see on washing machines only started appearing at the same time they stopped rinsing properly, which is pretty telling.
- twothamendment 10y agoWhile in a rental between moves I bought a very cheap ($50), used Maytag. Made in the USA, just over 20 years ago. That thing was built like a tank. They lady who sold it had raised 8 kids. This was her first and only washer to date and it never needed a repair - or so I was told. She replaced it because her adult kids bought her a fancy new LG washer for her birthday. After hauling this tank to my apartment and trying it out - it worked great! Much better than our Bosch front load that we sold before moving. It worked so good I was tempted to take it on the next leg of our move. I give it 2 years before that lady would pay to get her old washer back. In about that long I'll wish I had brought it with me. I'm sick of disposable products. I have a small collection of "broken" things that I don't have time to get to. If they were built with repair in mind I think they'd be fixed by now, but I'm not sure that laws will get us there. One can hope.
- pjz 10y agoMaybe durable goods should be taxed inversely based on the length of the warranty.
- jakub_g 10y agoThat's an awesome idea - but the tax difference would have to be high enough to incentivize people to choose the products with long warranty, and hence to push the companies to provide long warranty. However, there's too big chance that all the producers might have an unwritten deal to propose the same length of warranty anyway :(