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One interesting question to ask is, where is all this money, that people are spending on housing, going? Owners of rental property are obviously doing well. T
by ScottBurson 10y ago
One interesting question to ask is, where is all this money, that people are spending on housing, going?
Owners of rental property are obviously doing well. The other group making out are people who have owned property here during the times that prices have been appreciating and who sell and move out of the area; anyone who buys the property after them has to make the now-inflated mortgage payments.
And I think the question we should ask as a society is, is this how things should work? The reason property here has become so valuable, and continues to become even more valuable, doesn't have that much to do with the individual contributions of the property owners. Somebody has to own the real estate of the area, after all; from a societal standpoint it doesn't matter very much who that is. Rather, the value is being created by the local economy collectively. The reason Silicon Valley is such a great place to start a tech business is because of all the tech businesses that are already here, and all the people already working for them. Does it really make sense for property owners to receive such a large fraction of the value being created?
And let's be clear: the property owners wind up with most of it. Those of us living in the Valley, and commanding salaries that sound positively royal to the rest of America, are not actually living much (or any) better than most Americans. Most of the additional value we create by working for these high-tech companies is being siphoned off by property owners. Even if you own property in the Valley, if you bought it recently, your mortgage payments are going to cover a large check written to one of the previous owners.
Those familiar with the work of Henry George [0] will understand that I am summarizing his argument. If you live in the Bay Area, I urge you to read his work. I think the Bay Area desperately needs a land value tax system. Yes, it would change the character of the area. But that character is changing anyway. Short of forbidding newcomers from moving here -- and how would one do that? -- there's no way to stop continued urbanization. But, I understand that that's not happening anytime soon.
This brings me to good old Prop. 13. Kim-Mai Cutler [1] points out that Prop. 13 disincentivizes cities from approving residential construction, since they realize more tax revenue from commercial buildings.
Prop. 13 needs to be revised. The key change that is needed is that instead of limiting the amount of property taxes, we need to limit the tax payments only. Here's how that would work. The locality would impose whatever tax rate it saw fit, by whatever processes were in effect pre-Prop. 13. However, the homeowner's payment in a given year would be limited by the Prop. 13 formula. The locality would receive a lien on the difference, that lien not becoming due until the property is sold. This would allow localities to participate in the appreciation of property values; the windfall wouldn't all go to the property owner. Yet, it still protects those on fixed incomes from being forced out of their homes by property taxes -- the primary selling point of Prop. 13.
[0] http://www.henrygeorge.org/pcontents.htm http://www.henrygeorge.org/pcontents.htm
[1] https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/
- chmaynard 10y agoThank you for this articulate and reasoned comment. This type of information is so much more interesting and thought-provoking than a bleak newspaper story that contributes nothing new to the conversation.
- tamana 10y agoLink for the lazy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax
- ams6110 10y agoI don't know about the Bay Area but it seems to me that most places already have this. My property tax includes a component that is based on the land value. Also a component based on the value of the improvements.
- ScottBurson 10y agoRight -- the distinction is that the LVT taxes only the land. The argument for not taxing the improvements is basically that the value of the land is created collectively, while the value of the improvements is arguably created by the property owner. One could argue that this isn't entirely true, and perhaps there's a case to be made for taxing the improvements at a lower but nonzero rate; but then you have to go to the trouble of assessing the value of the improvements. Assessing the value of just the land is easier. Another point is that by taxing only (or mostly) the land, you encourage denser construction as soon as the demand supports it. Tearing down a three-bedroom house, or a few adjacent ones, to build an apartment complex, is more financially attractive if the total tax bill doesn't change.
- ams6110 10y agoThanks, that explanation does help. Sounds like it would also do away with the fights that businesses get into around here about whether they should be paying property tax on the value of the "dark" building (e.g. as if it were vacant) or based on the value as an occupied and active business. On the other hand, dense development incurs more social costs. There will be more demand for emergency services, utilities, traffic control, etc. that generally are at least partly funded by the increased property tax on high density improvements.