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His hn profile: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ca98am79 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ca98am79 Other projects, including what appears to be an in

by mef 10y ago

His hn profile: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ca98am79 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ca98am79 Other projects, including what appears to be an initiative to start a new religion? (http://consciousness.io/ http://consciousness.io/) http://humb.ly/projects.html http://humb.ly/projects.html

ca98am79 10y ago
Haha yes - that's my new religion based on consciousness. I thought there needed to be more innovation in religion, so I started one
- muthdra 10y ago
  That looks like a branch of Deboísmo.
- proksoup 10y ago
  As far as religions go it doesn't seem too bad at first glance. I like it. My current favorite quote about religion is from the pianist Seymour Bernstein (in the latest Documentary about him, from Ethan Hawke, titled "Seymour: An Introduction): "I don't call it god, I call it a spiritual reservoir. Most people don't tap that resource of the god within. What upsets me about religion is that the answers always seem to be apart from us, in the form of a deity and we depend on the deity for salvation, but I firmly believe it is within us." The externality, taking someone's individuality and telling them that it's something apart from them, that they don't control it, is also my largest concern with religion and the thing that needs to innovated on. I think your conciousness.io fits that bill ... Would be curious to hear if my assessment is incorrect though.
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  - blowski 10y ago
    GK Chesterton: > That Jones shall worship the god within him turns out ultimately to mean that Jones shall worship Jones.
    - proksoup 10y ago
      Yes, this is not good? Better than the alternative?
      - proksoup 10y ago
        I can see why a reasonable person would downvote my reply, it's short and adds no value. I don't know what else to say until I know where you're coming from though, I'm honestly asking what do you mean by that quote?
        1123581321 10y ago
        It means that there isn't a sublime/perfect id/being/spirit at the core of us, just the same flawed person as is on the outside. So a religion or philosophy of trying to worship or obey some inner perfection ultimately just means doing whatever you feel like, which isn't a good idea let alone worth proselytizing.
        proksoup 10y ago
        I feel it's worth proselytzing in the context of counter balancing the movements which imply some other idea is worth worshipping. It seems like a step up, from worshiping one's priest to worshipping ones self, and maybe after that we (those that see the error in both) can have adult conversations.
        alphapapa 10y ago
        > It seems like a step up, from worshiping one's priest to worshipping ones self, and maybe after that we (those that see the error in both) can have adult conversations. Not that you necessarily intend it, but that is a false dichotomy. If the choices are between worshipping a priest (a human) and worshipping oneself (another human), you're right that the latter is a step up in that it refuses to elevate one human above another. But it only brings us closer to the truth insofar as worshipping the priest is wrong. It really just brings us back to ground zero. If worshipping the priest is wrong (by "wrong" I mean that the priest is not worthy of worship, because he's just another human), then worshipping any human is wrong, including oneself. So, either way, you're wrong--that is, you still don't know the truth, and you're still worshipping a human being.
  - ivm 10y ago
    > The externality, taking someone's individuality and telling them that it's something apart from them, that they don't control it, is also my largest concern with religion and the thing that needs to innovated on. The Buddha innovated on it 25 centuries ago. It didn't prevent people from just praying to him when his philosophy got popular.
    - proksoup 10y ago
      Yes. Buddhism with that rhetoric (that innovation) has persisted more positively than others that lack it I think. But also, yes.
- milcron 10y ago
  Reminds me of http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/10/religion-for-the-nonreligious.html http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/10/religion-for-the-nonreligious....
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- marknadal 10y ago
  While it is good to encourage people not to be judgmental or angry, I have to logically point out that your religion contradicts itself: Stating "judge nothing as "bad" or "evil"' and then stating "you are now free of any judgments, guilt, resistance, anger, or suffering of any kind." suggest that those things are undesirable traits. But isn't that a judgment?
  - obmelvin 10y ago
    This is one of my favorite fallacies to kindly point out to friends and family. My brother was talking about not judging others personal choices. The way he phrased just made me laugh and reply that he was judging people who judge strangers.
  - alphapapa 10y ago
    It's amazing how inconsistent people's thinking can be. If nothing were bad or evil, then what's to stop someone who disagrees with him from deciding that this planet would be better off without him on it, and removing him from it? No complaints, now--you said you can't judge anything, and that includes murder. If you're just a pile of goo, what does it matter if another pile of goo destroys you?
- jvoorhis 10y ago
  Sounds a little like Optimism cf. Candide.
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- notgood 10y ago
  We need a new religion as much as we need a new mob. But if you are following the money yeah I'm sure there is a lot of innovations to be done there as well.

by mef 10y ago

ca98am79 10y ago

Haha yes - that's my new religion based on consciousness. I thought there needed to be more innovation in religion, so I started one

muthdra 10y ago
That looks like a branch of Deboísmo.
proksoup 10y ago
As far as religions go it doesn't seem too bad at first glance. I like it. My current favorite quote about religion is from the pianist Seymour Bernstein (in the latest Documentary about him, from Ethan Hawke, titled "Seymour: An Introduction): "I don't call it god, I call it a spiritual reservoir. Most people don't tap that resource of the god within. What upsets me about religion is that the answers always seem to be apart from us, in the form of a deity and we depend on the deity for salvation, but I firmly believe it is within us." The externality, taking someone's individuality and telling them that it's something apart from them, that they don't control it, is also my largest concern with religion and the thing that needs to innovated on. I think your conciousness.io fits that bill ... Would be curious to hear if my assessment is incorrect though.
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- blowski 10y ago
  GK Chesterton: > That Jones shall worship the god within him turns out ultimately to mean that Jones shall worship Jones.
  - proksoup 10y ago
    Yes, this is not good? Better than the alternative?
    - proksoup 10y ago
      I can see why a reasonable person would downvote my reply, it's short and adds no value. I don't know what else to say until I know where you're coming from though, I'm honestly asking what do you mean by that quote?
      - 1123581321 10y ago
        It means that there isn't a sublime/perfect id/being/spirit at the core of us, just the same flawed person as is on the outside. So a religion or philosophy of trying to worship or obey some inner perfection ultimately just means doing whatever you feel like, which isn't a good idea let alone worth proselytizing.
        proksoup 10y ago
        I feel it's worth proselytzing in the context of counter balancing the movements which imply some other idea is worth worshipping. It seems like a step up, from worshiping one's priest to worshipping ones self, and maybe after that we (those that see the error in both) can have adult conversations.
        alphapapa 10y ago
        > It seems like a step up, from worshiping one's priest to worshipping ones self, and maybe after that we (those that see the error in both) can have adult conversations. Not that you necessarily intend it, but that is a false dichotomy. If the choices are between worshipping a priest (a human) and worshipping oneself (another human), you're right that the latter is a step up in that it refuses to elevate one human above another. But it only brings us closer to the truth insofar as worshipping the priest is wrong. It really just brings us back to ground zero. If worshipping the priest is wrong (by "wrong" I mean that the priest is not worthy of worship, because he's just another human), then worshipping any human is wrong, including oneself. So, either way, you're wrong--that is, you still don't know the truth, and you're still worshipping a human being.
- ivm 10y ago
  > The externality, taking someone's individuality and telling them that it's something apart from them, that they don't control it, is also my largest concern with religion and the thing that needs to innovated on. The Buddha innovated on it 25 centuries ago. It didn't prevent people from just praying to him when his philosophy got popular.
  - proksoup 10y ago
    Yes. Buddhism with that rhetoric (that innovation) has persisted more positively than others that lack it I think. But also, yes.
milcron 10y ago
Reminds me of http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/10/religion-for-the-nonreligious.html http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/10/religion-for-the-nonreligious....
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marknadal 10y ago
While it is good to encourage people not to be judgmental or angry, I have to logically point out that your religion contradicts itself: Stating "judge nothing as "bad" or "evil"' and then stating "you are now free of any judgments, guilt, resistance, anger, or suffering of any kind." suggest that those things are undesirable traits. But isn't that a judgment?
- obmelvin 10y ago
  This is one of my favorite fallacies to kindly point out to friends and family. My brother was talking about not judging others personal choices. The way he phrased just made me laugh and reply that he was judging people who judge strangers.
- alphapapa 10y ago
  It's amazing how inconsistent people's thinking can be. If nothing were bad or evil, then what's to stop someone who disagrees with him from deciding that this planet would be better off without him on it, and removing him from it? No complaints, now--you said you can't judge anything, and that includes murder. If you're just a pile of goo, what does it matter if another pile of goo destroys you?
jvoorhis 10y ago
Sounds a little like Optimism cf. Candide.
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notgood 10y ago
We need a new religion as much as we need a new mob. But if you are following the money yeah I'm sure there is a lot of innovations to be done there as well.