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Audi, BMW, Volkswagen and Peugeot all sell electric or hybrid-electric cars.

by raphaelj 10y ago

dabeeeenster 10y ago
And they are all either: A: Hugely overpriced plug in hybrids B: Have pathetic range
- raphaelj 10y ago
  And everybody knows that Model S is not an expensive car.
  - icebraining 10y ago
    Yes, but it's fully electric, not an hybrid with a tiny all-electric range.
  - martin_bech 10y ago
    For the performance and features, it is in no way expensive. The P100DL beats a Lamborghini Huracan off the line up to 100mph+ at a fraction of the cost. Disclosure I own a Models S 85D.
    - fabrice_d 10y ago
      Sure, but you're not gonna do a race lap at full speed with a Tesla. These 0 to 100 numbers don't tell the full performance story at all.
      - greglindahl 10y ago
        I don't know what country you're from, but in the US there are a lot of people who obsess about straight-line drag racing. For example, in the Fast and Furious movies, while they drive cars in all kinds of ways, the obsession is about a "10 second car", which is a straight-line 1/4 mile measurement. Also in the US, there's an even larger group of car buyers who will never drag race their cars, but like knowing that the car they just bought is excellent in some way.
denzil_correa 10y ago
How do these electric cars compare against Tesla?
- Brakenshire 10y ago
  The i3 appears to be a really well designed car. It costs about $7000 more than the model 3, but it already exists. And they've just increased the battery capacity 50%, so the nominal range is 200 miles, or 275 with the range extender. I just read BMW think they can double that by 2020. Tesla certainly has at least some competition.
  - kangman 10y ago
    Not a fan of the design though. I'm sure it's functional but to my eyes it looks more frankencar than daily driver.
    - antoniuschan99 10y ago
      only other one that looks decent is the e-golf and focus. but not a fan of hatchbacks
    - Reason077 10y ago
      I think the i3 is one of the coolest looking small cars around. It is distinctive, and the designers clearly made a choice to go for a design that would get noticed. I do think it looks better in all-black, rather than the two-tone colors. It's easily one of the most popular EVs here in the UK (along with the Tesla, Renault Zoe, and Nissan Leaf). Very nice to drive with a stylish, comfortable, minimalist, premium-quality interior. BMW's software does let it down, though - at least when compared to a Tesla. But still, i'd argue if you want an EV and can't afford a Tesla, it's the best option available right now (at least until the Bolt is released).
  - nradov 10y ago
    No, for the latest i3 BMW only claims a range of 114 miles. https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/article/detail/T0259560EN_US/the-new-2017-bmw-i3-94-ah-:-more-range-paired-to-high-level-dynamic-performance?language=en_US https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/article/detail/T0259560EN...
rsync 10y ago
"Audi, BMW, Volkswagen and Peugeot all sell electric or hybrid-electric cars." Audi has a A3-etron which is not an electric car. Maybe they have some $500k etron-R8 but I am not sure if they ever built that. BMW has the i3 which is kind of interesting, in a low-production-run, dip-your-toe-in-the-market kind of way. i8 is not an electric car. Some hybrids. Who cares. Volkswagen has the e-golf which, in a sense, is more progress than the others since it's an actual VM car that actual people buy and is actually electric. It's not a car I would buy, but again - it's not a cutesy test market car and it's not a half-assed hybrid, so kudos to VW. I don't know anything about Peugeot. Probably hybrids so who cares. In conclusion: We're in the same place we've been for 9-12 years: CEO of Audi/BMW/Porsche/Merc announce a major electric car initiative with consumer models (6 years from now) and a sexy concept car at a trade show. Then nothing happens. Then three years later, repeat. Over and over and over.
- __michaelg 10y ago
  > I don't know anything about Peugeot. Probably hybrids so who cares. YTD in Germany, Renault sold twice as many purely electric cars (1836 Zoes) as Tesla (978 Model S and 56 Model X.) Source: https://www.goingelectric.de/zulassungszahlen/2016/ https://www.goingelectric.de/zulassungszahlen/2016/ (in German only, sorry; data is coming from Germany's DOT)
  - Reason077 10y ago
    He was probably thinking of Renault, not Peugeot. The Renault Zoe is one of the most popular EVs in Europe. (Why? It looks cool, drives well, and it's cheap!) I don't think Peugeot have done anything much notable in EVs recently.

Audi, BMW, Volkswagen and Peugeot all sell electric or hybrid-electric cars.

dabeeeenster 10y ago

And they are all either: A: Hugely overpriced plug in hybrids B: Have pathetic range

raphaelj 10y ago
And everybody knows that Model S is not an expensive car.
- icebraining 10y ago
  Yes, but it's fully electric, not an hybrid with a tiny all-electric range.
- martin_bech 10y ago
  For the performance and features, it is in no way expensive. The P100DL beats a Lamborghini Huracan off the line up to 100mph+ at a fraction of the cost. Disclosure I own a Models S 85D.
  - fabrice_d 10y ago
    Sure, but you're not gonna do a race lap at full speed with a Tesla. These 0 to 100 numbers don't tell the full performance story at all.
    - greglindahl 10y ago
      I don't know what country you're from, but in the US there are a lot of people who obsess about straight-line drag racing. For example, in the Fast and Furious movies, while they drive cars in all kinds of ways, the obsession is about a "10 second car", which is a straight-line 1/4 mile measurement. Also in the US, there's an even larger group of car buyers who will never drag race their cars, but like knowing that the car they just bought is excellent in some way.

denzil_correa 10y ago

How do these electric cars compare against Tesla?

Brakenshire 10y ago
The i3 appears to be a really well designed car. It costs about $7000 more than the model 3, but it already exists. And they've just increased the battery capacity 50%, so the nominal range is 200 miles, or 275 with the range extender. I just read BMW think they can double that by 2020. Tesla certainly has at least some competition.
- kangman 10y ago
  Not a fan of the design though. I'm sure it's functional but to my eyes it looks more frankencar than daily driver.
  - antoniuschan99 10y ago
    only other one that looks decent is the e-golf and focus. but not a fan of hatchbacks
  - Reason077 10y ago
    I think the i3 is one of the coolest looking small cars around. It is distinctive, and the designers clearly made a choice to go for a design that would get noticed. I do think it looks better in all-black, rather than the two-tone colors. It's easily one of the most popular EVs here in the UK (along with the Tesla, Renault Zoe, and Nissan Leaf). Very nice to drive with a stylish, comfortable, minimalist, premium-quality interior. BMW's software does let it down, though - at least when compared to a Tesla. But still, i'd argue if you want an EV and can't afford a Tesla, it's the best option available right now (at least until the Bolt is released).
- nradov 10y ago
  No, for the latest i3 BMW only claims a range of 114 miles. https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/article/detail/T0259560EN_US/the-new-2017-bmw-i3-94-ah-:-more-range-paired-to-high-level-dynamic-performance?language=en_US https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/article/detail/T0259560EN...

rsync 10y ago

"Audi, BMW, Volkswagen and Peugeot all sell electric or hybrid-electric cars." Audi has a A3-etron which is not an electric car. Maybe they have some $500k etron-R8 but I am not sure if they ever built that. BMW has the i3 which is kind of interesting, in a low-production-run, dip-your-toe-in-the-market kind of way. i8 is not an electric car. Some hybrids. Who cares. Volkswagen has the e-golf which, in a sense, is more progress than the others since it's an actual VM car that actual people buy and is actually electric. It's not a car I would buy, but again - it's not a cutesy test market car and it's not a half-assed hybrid, so kudos to VW. I don't know anything about Peugeot. Probably hybrids so who cares. In conclusion: We're in the same place we've been for 9-12 years: CEO of Audi/BMW/Porsche/Merc announce a major electric car initiative with consumer models (6 years from now) and a sexy concept car at a trade show. Then nothing happens. Then three years later, repeat. Over and over and over.

__michaelg 10y ago
> I don't know anything about Peugeot. Probably hybrids so who cares. YTD in Germany, Renault sold twice as many purely electric cars (1836 Zoes) as Tesla (978 Model S and 56 Model X.) Source: https://www.goingelectric.de/zulassungszahlen/2016/ https://www.goingelectric.de/zulassungszahlen/2016/ (in German only, sorry; data is coming from Germany's DOT)
- Reason077 10y ago
  He was probably thinking of Renault, not Peugeot. The Renault Zoe is one of the most popular EVs in Europe. (Why? It looks cool, drives well, and it's cheap!) I don't think Peugeot have done anything much notable in EVs recently.