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So they did lie when they said "Microsoft Loves Linux". https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsserver/2015/05/06/microsoft-loves-linux/ https://blogs.techne

by 0x0 10y ago

So they did lie when they said "Microsoft Loves Linux". https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsserver/2015/05/06/microsoft-loves-linux/ https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsserver/2015/05/06... Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

f_m_9 10y ago
They love Linux ..as long as you only use it through their products..
- joe563323 10y ago
  Fuck their products
Piskvorrr 10y ago
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Hello again MS, for a moment I was getting worried about you straying from your proven strategy.
- jewbacca 10y ago
  Seriously. If this does turn out to be intentional on Microsoft's part, then there goes every last shred of trust and goodwill they've spent the last 10 years rebuilding. (and, honestly, were finally succeeding at, to the point where I'm very close to willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here: how the hell could the benefits of such a thing come anywhere near to outweighing the amount of damage it would do?)
  - lemagedurage 10y ago
    10 years? I remember the lawsuit against TomTom in 2009, because they used the FAT32 filesystem through open source drivers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._TomTom_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._TomTom_Inc.
  - Piskvorrr 10y ago
    Meh. For me, the last drop was "You WANT the X, admit it! (Not like you have a choice, we force-upgraded your computer anyway, no matter what you chose)" This is just Business As Usual.
ashitlerferad 10y ago
The love Linux... as long as Linux users pay their patent fees
coldtea 10y ago
>So they did lie when they said "Microsoft Loves Linux". No, the title and "secret agreement" theory is just BS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor >Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. MS hasn't been the boss of anyone much ever since 2005 or so... http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html
- rndgermandude 10y ago
  Then why did a Lenovo employee say there is an agreement? http://imgur.com/a/niewu http://imgur.com/a/niewu
  - akx 10y ago
    They might be misguided. Until there's an official announcement one way or another, I wouldn't pay too much attention to some random Lenovo customer service guy.
    - Sylos 10y ago
      Right, but there isn't going to be an official announcement, unless a hundred thousand people jump to premature conclusions and bring out their pitchforks. I agree that it's not terribly smart to draw a conclusion at this point in time, but it's potentially more malicious, if we don't.
      - sevensor 10y ago
        Regardless of whether such an agreement exists, and regardless of whether it's a secret if it does exist, I still have my pitchfork out. Lenovo had already lost my good will for their various other shenanigans over the last couple of years, but locking down the machine in a way that makes it impossible to install an alternative OS has decisively lost them my business.
  - DanBC 10y ago
Fice 10y ago
They do not love or hate Linux, open source, or anything, they just do whatever makes more money. It's business.
sliken 10y ago
Heh, well there's a small footnote. Microsoft loves Linux users. So sure, they want ubuntu to run on windows, so they can get into the container market. So sure they will sell office in the cloud to target the legions of chromebook users. Not that they would ship office for linux. Nor would they consider supporting linux on their surface books. The locking linux out of various platforms with EFI seems to be progressing nicely. But sure, microsoft will meet you half way to steal your customers and try to find out some other way to lock them into a microsoft platform.

by 0x0 10y ago

f_m_9 10y ago

They love Linux ..as long as you only use it through their products..

joe563323 10y ago
Fuck their products

Piskvorrr 10y ago

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Hello again MS, for a moment I was getting worried about you straying from your proven strategy.

jewbacca 10y ago
Seriously. If this does turn out to be intentional on Microsoft's part, then there goes every last shred of trust and goodwill they've spent the last 10 years rebuilding. (and, honestly, were finally succeeding at, to the point where I'm very close to willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here: how the hell could the benefits of such a thing come anywhere near to outweighing the amount of damage it would do?)
- lemagedurage 10y ago
  10 years? I remember the lawsuit against TomTom in 2009, because they used the FAT32 filesystem through open source drivers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._TomTom_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._TomTom_Inc.
- Piskvorrr 10y ago
  Meh. For me, the last drop was "You WANT the X, admit it! (Not like you have a choice, we force-upgraded your computer anyway, no matter what you chose)" This is just Business As Usual.

ashitlerferad 10y ago

The love Linux... as long as Linux users pay their patent fees

coldtea 10y ago

>So they did lie when they said "Microsoft Loves Linux". No, the title and "secret agreement" theory is just BS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor >Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. MS hasn't been the boss of anyone much ever since 2005 or so... http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html

rndgermandude 10y ago
Then why did a Lenovo employee say there is an agreement? http://imgur.com/a/niewu http://imgur.com/a/niewu
- akx 10y ago
  They might be misguided. Until there's an official announcement one way or another, I wouldn't pay too much attention to some random Lenovo customer service guy.
  - Sylos 10y ago
    Right, but there isn't going to be an official announcement, unless a hundred thousand people jump to premature conclusions and bring out their pitchforks. I agree that it's not terribly smart to draw a conclusion at this point in time, but it's potentially more malicious, if we don't.
    - sevensor 10y ago
      Regardless of whether such an agreement exists, and regardless of whether it's a secret if it does exist, I still have my pitchfork out. Lenovo had already lost my good will for their various other shenanigans over the last couple of years, but locking down the machine in a way that makes it impossible to install an alternative OS has decisively lost them my business.
- DanBC 10y ago

Fice 10y ago

They do not love or hate Linux, open source, or anything, they just do whatever makes more money. It's business.

sliken 10y ago

Heh, well there's a small footnote. Microsoft loves Linux users. So sure, they want ubuntu to run on windows, so they can get into the container market. So sure they will sell office in the cloud to target the legions of chromebook users. Not that they would ship office for linux. Nor would they consider supporting linux on their surface books. The locking linux out of various platforms with EFI seems to be progressing nicely. But sure, microsoft will meet you half way to steal your customers and try to find out some other way to lock them into a microsoft platform.