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With all the kerfuffle, I would not have imagined it would be so easy to replace. So, after poking around, it looks like pageflow is the actual creators of thi

by spotman 10y ago

With all the kerfuffle, I would not have imagined it would be so easy to replace. So, after poking around, it looks like pageflow is the actual creators of this stuff, and scrollytelling, has built a business around supporting it and hosting it? While concurrently, it appears pageflow can also be paid to support and host their own product? Weirdly, pageflow appears cheaper too! Am I missing something? Would this be equivalent of someone opening up a competitor to wordpress.com, powered by wordpress?

PakG1 10y ago
I work for an organization that actually purchases a hosted product that fits this exact description literally. Can't stop laughing. :)
octaveguin 10y ago
There was quite a common scam a while ago about selling open office. It actually was completely legal because they were (in the fine print) selling support - the software was free, of course. A lot of bigger companies sell support for OSS products they don't build. This can be legitimate. It just depends on how forthright you are with who built what.
- lmm 10y ago
  They don't have to sell support. One is allowed to sell open-source software. (One of course has to comply with any relevant license requirements when distributing).
  - TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago
    Right. Copyleft licenses (the GPL and the like) only require you keep software free as in freedom, not as in beer. You can sell the software just fine, so long as you provide the source. And non-copyleft licenses let you do whatever you want. You can take non-copyleft open-source software, add your proprietary junk and sell it at a killing, if you want. You don't even have to provide the source.
- h1d 10y ago
  You sound like selling an open source software someone else made is inappropriate. Apparently nothing is wrong with that as long as the license is applied.
  - hasenj 10y ago
    What's inappropriate here is he did not allow his clients to redistribute and modify the source even though his work is based largely on an open source project.
  - Dylan16807 10y ago
    It is inappropriate to imply that the value you provide is both development and support, when you only provide support. Especially in a consumer context, where support is usually a small fraction of the cost.
Veen 10y ago
It's a common business model and there are loads of companies that offer WordPress hosting with various management services to compete with WordPress.com Companies take open source software and package up management, hosting, and consulting services. That's basically what Red Hat does, for example.
- dabernathy89 10y ago
  This isn't a good example - WordPress.com doesn't offer the same product as other WordPress hosts. With the latter, you're still getting "self-hosted" WordPress, but with the former, you're getting one install added to their giant multi-site installation (and all the limitations that that imposes).
  - ultramancool 10y ago
    That's not true actually, the software that powers wordpress.com is builtin and can power many sites from the same instance. https://codex.wordpress.org/Create_A_Network https://codex.wordpress.org/Create_A_Network So while many hosters will offer a single instance (as it's more flexible), some, often companies doing it internally will use multisite just like wordpress.com.
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by spotman 10y ago

PakG1 10y ago

I work for an organization that actually purchases a hosted product that fits this exact description literally. Can't stop laughing. :)

octaveguin 10y ago

There was quite a common scam a while ago about selling open office. It actually was completely legal because they were (in the fine print) selling support - the software was free, of course. A lot of bigger companies sell support for OSS products they don't build. This can be legitimate. It just depends on how forthright you are with who built what.

lmm 10y ago
They don't have to sell support. One is allowed to sell open-source software. (One of course has to comply with any relevant license requirements when distributing).
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago
  Right. Copyleft licenses (the GPL and the like) only require you keep software free as in freedom, not as in beer. You can sell the software just fine, so long as you provide the source. And non-copyleft licenses let you do whatever you want. You can take non-copyleft open-source software, add your proprietary junk and sell it at a killing, if you want. You don't even have to provide the source.
h1d 10y ago
You sound like selling an open source software someone else made is inappropriate. Apparently nothing is wrong with that as long as the license is applied.
- hasenj 10y ago
  What's inappropriate here is he did not allow his clients to redistribute and modify the source even though his work is based largely on an open source project.
- Dylan16807 10y ago
  It is inappropriate to imply that the value you provide is both development and support, when you only provide support. Especially in a consumer context, where support is usually a small fraction of the cost.

Veen 10y ago

It's a common business model and there are loads of companies that offer WordPress hosting with various management services to compete with WordPress.com Companies take open source software and package up management, hosting, and consulting services. That's basically what Red Hat does, for example.

dabernathy89 10y ago
This isn't a good example - WordPress.com doesn't offer the same product as other WordPress hosts. With the latter, you're still getting "self-hosted" WordPress, but with the former, you're getting one install added to their giant multi-site installation (and all the limitations that that imposes).
- ultramancool 10y ago
  That's not true actually, the software that powers wordpress.com is builtin and can power many sites from the same instance. https://codex.wordpress.org/Create_A_Network https://codex.wordpress.org/Create_A_Network So while many hosters will offer a single instance (as it's more flexible), some, often companies doing it internally will use multisite just like wordpress.com.

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