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“There’s a lot of prejudice against Roma in almost every country in Europe,” For example, I've seen a few of them around ticket machines in Bologna railway sta

“There’s a lot of prejudice against Roma in almost every country in Europe,” For example, I've seen a few of them around ticket machines in Bologna railway station, Italy - trying to extract some forgotten change from the machines or harrass it off passengers. Can I call this not prejudice but actually a mature judice? 'cause I've never seen anybody else do it. You get to have prejudices when you behave like that.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> For example, I've seen a few of them around ticket machines in Bologna railway station, Italy - trying to extract some forgotten change from the machines or harrass it off passengers. I've directly witnessed lots of white Americans do lots of horrible things, in many cases horrible things I've never witnessed people of other ethnic backgrounds doing. If I then decide that white Americans as a whole are horrible people who do those horrible things, its still prejudice -- I am prejudging individuals based not on nothing but their ethnic similarity to people I've witnessed doing bad things.
- ddorian43 10y ago
  There are patterns on Roma people. They don't integrate locally, that's why they're all the same. The same thing is by Albanians who emigrate, if they keep their local culture they mostly ~suck (really, ask ANY Albanian). ~Most Roma people don't integrate therefore they suck (their original culture does). Americans integrate locally (redneck, bible belt, etc) and are different between states/cities/etc.
- guard-of-terra 10y ago
  If Americans start to come to other countries and behave obnoxiously, those countries definitely have rights to kick them out and prevent any more americans from coming.
  - estebank 10y ago
    > If Americans start to come to other countries and behave obnoxiously,(...) I believe you just described a good chunk of American tourists. :) And a good chunk of all people, everywhere, for that matter.
    - allendoerfer 10y ago
      While I interpret both as signs of overconfidence, there is a difference between talking to loud in public and throwing trash on the streets of your state supplied house.
  - welanes 10y ago
    I think the point is how much does the behavior of one American tell us about how a second, separate American, will behave? On an individual level, not a lot. So it would be lazy to bake-in prejudice based on a single bad experience. At the same time, prejudices (pre-judgements) of particular populations is common sense and statistically logical. For example, from a random pool of 1000 Swedes and 1000 Saudis you could guess with a fair deal of confidence which group has the more enlightened view on women's rights. An interesting topic that tends to result in well reasoned, respectful, and enlightened points of view. /s
    - ralfd 10y ago
      But you don't go around and think "this is an American" and "oh, here is another American, she will act the same as the guy before". Instead your internal heuristics notice more markers like age, gender, clothing, dialect, socio-economic status and class. An older person in a suit will be approached differently by you than a drunk redneck/ghettokid/punk/hells angels, even when they are the same ethnicity.
- oh_sigh 10y ago
  What kind of horrible things have you witnessed white Americans do that you've never witnessed any other race do?

dragonwriter 10y ago

> For example, I've seen a few of them around ticket machines in Bologna railway station, Italy - trying to extract some forgotten change from the machines or harrass it off passengers. I've directly witnessed lots of white Americans do lots of horrible things, in many cases horrible things I've never witnessed people of other ethnic backgrounds doing. If I then decide that white Americans as a whole are horrible people who do those horrible things, its still prejudice -- I am prejudging individuals based not on nothing but their ethnic similarity to people I've witnessed doing bad things.

ddorian43 10y ago
There are patterns on Roma people. They don't integrate locally, that's why they're all the same. The same thing is by Albanians who emigrate, if they keep their local culture they mostly ~suck (really, ask ANY Albanian). ~Most Roma people don't integrate therefore they suck (their original culture does). Americans integrate locally (redneck, bible belt, etc) and are different between states/cities/etc.
guard-of-terra 10y ago
If Americans start to come to other countries and behave obnoxiously, those countries definitely have rights to kick them out and prevent any more americans from coming.
- estebank 10y ago
  > If Americans start to come to other countries and behave obnoxiously,(...) I believe you just described a good chunk of American tourists. :) And a good chunk of all people, everywhere, for that matter.
  - allendoerfer 10y ago
    While I interpret both as signs of overconfidence, there is a difference between talking to loud in public and throwing trash on the streets of your state supplied house.
- welanes 10y ago
  I think the point is how much does the behavior of one American tell us about how a second, separate American, will behave? On an individual level, not a lot. So it would be lazy to bake-in prejudice based on a single bad experience. At the same time, prejudices (pre-judgements) of particular populations is common sense and statistically logical. For example, from a random pool of 1000 Swedes and 1000 Saudis you could guess with a fair deal of confidence which group has the more enlightened view on women's rights. An interesting topic that tends to result in well reasoned, respectful, and enlightened points of view. /s
  - ralfd 10y ago
    But you don't go around and think "this is an American" and "oh, here is another American, she will act the same as the guy before". Instead your internal heuristics notice more markers like age, gender, clothing, dialect, socio-economic status and class. An older person in a suit will be approached differently by you than a drunk redneck/ghettokid/punk/hells angels, even when they are the same ethnicity.
oh_sigh 10y ago
What kind of horrible things have you witnessed white Americans do that you've never witnessed any other race do?