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I disagree. Leave voters are already being able to say "I told you so". We haven't had a war yet, we're not in a recession, and the EU is forging ahead with it

I disagree. Leave voters are already being able to say "I told you so". We haven't had a war yet, we're not in a recession, and the EU is forging ahead with its army, letting Turkey in, etc etc. I very much doubt the EU will exist in 10 years. It will fall, and our friends around Europe will be free again.

sevenless 10y ago
Nothing has changed yet. In what way are Leave voters able to say "I told you so"? I very much doubt the UK will exist in 10 years. It will fall, and Scotland will be free again :-)
- blibble 10y ago
  a crucial point that many have missed is that independence after a hard brexit would likely result in Scots no longer having the automatic right to work in England. in the previous referendum this wasn't an issue, as the UK and an independent Scotland would both be in the EU together, with the freedom of movement of workers. your average Scot values the ability to work in England much more highly than the ability to work in the EU, so this makes Scottish independence less likely, not more, which explains Sturgeon's recent behaviour.
  - notahacker 10y ago
    Expect it to be a major feature in any second independence referendum campaign. I suspect if Scotland ever seceded they'd fudge automatic rights to work in England and open borders (in return for border checks at Scottish airports and a customs union) in a similar manner as needs to be negotiated for Northern Ireland. Those negotiations aren't going to be fun...
  - hackbinary 10y ago
    The problem that England has with Scotland is all the land that the English aristocracy 'owns' in Scotland.
Symbiote 10y ago
> We haven't had a war yet, A Polish man was killed in Essex, and there's been a huge increase in racist attacks. > we're not in a recession, Britain hasn't left yet. But the Bank of England base rate is at a record low. > and the EU is forging ahead with its army, :-) > letting Turkey in, etc etc. After Erdoğan's response to the failed coup, Turkey is further from joining the EU than it's been for a long time.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  That's not exactly a war. A Finnish man was killed by Iraqi asylum seekers a couple of days ago; are we now at war with Iraq? Hardly.
notahacker 10y ago
I'm not sure which planet you're living on where Turkey is closer to joining the EU than it was in late June 2016, but it's clearly not ours...

sevenless 10y ago

Nothing has changed yet. In what way are Leave voters able to say "I told you so"? I very much doubt the UK will exist in 10 years. It will fall, and Scotland will be free again :-)

blibble 10y ago
a crucial point that many have missed is that independence after a hard brexit would likely result in Scots no longer having the automatic right to work in England. in the previous referendum this wasn't an issue, as the UK and an independent Scotland would both be in the EU together, with the freedom of movement of workers. your average Scot values the ability to work in England much more highly than the ability to work in the EU, so this makes Scottish independence less likely, not more, which explains Sturgeon's recent behaviour.
- notahacker 10y ago
  Expect it to be a major feature in any second independence referendum campaign. I suspect if Scotland ever seceded they'd fudge automatic rights to work in England and open borders (in return for border checks at Scottish airports and a customs union) in a similar manner as needs to be negotiated for Northern Ireland. Those negotiations aren't going to be fun...
- hackbinary 10y ago
  The problem that England has with Scotland is all the land that the English aristocracy 'owns' in Scotland.

Symbiote 10y ago

> We haven't had a war yet, A Polish man was killed in Essex, and there's been a huge increase in racist attacks. > we're not in a recession, Britain hasn't left yet. But the Bank of England base rate is at a record low. > and the EU is forging ahead with its army, :-) > letting Turkey in, etc etc. After Erdoğan's response to the failed coup, Turkey is further from joining the EU than it's been for a long time.

ptaipale 10y ago
That's not exactly a war. A Finnish man was killed by Iraqi asylum seekers a couple of days ago; are we now at war with Iraq? Hardly.

notahacker 10y ago

I'm not sure which planet you're living on where Turkey is closer to joining the EU than it was in late June 2016, but it's clearly not ours...