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You idea is so protectionist. It is like saying US should not bring in great scientist and just focus on mass producing within the county. And you wouldn't hav

You idea is so protectionist. It is like saying US should not bring in great scientist and just focus on mass producing within the county. And you wouldn't have Einstein. The point is no matter how much you try to force produce talents within your country , there will always more great talents in other parts of the world. US was great because it is the centre of the universe and all the top talents want to come here. Now it is no longer the case. Gradually, US is losing this big advantage.

briandear 10y ago
I don't think the majority of H1 visa holders could be considered "top talent." Perhaps "cheaper talent." We eliminate the Tata-style H1B abuses and actually make H1B for TOP talent and not cheap talent, then those future Einsteins can come to the US. Your average "top talent" isn't going to work for Tata or Infosys. They're going to apply directly or they're going to be recruited. Ted Cruz proposed at $100K minimum salary for H1's. Not a bad way to solve this problem. $100K is nothing for actual top talent, but it certainly means that the incentive to outsource low level IT to H1 companies is much much less. The problem isn't the lack of talent, it's the lack of companies willing to pay for the talent. You can hire anybody you want if you're willing to pay enough. Start offering $250K for a starting salary for an engineer -- you'll have hundreds of resumes within the hour and probably one or two would be top talent. That same job at $80k -- dozens of resumes and probably not a single one that could be considered top talent.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > We eliminate the Tata-style H1B abuses and actually make H1B for TOP talent and not cheap talent Top talent is what the O-1A and O-1B are for. We don't need the H-1B for that.
- asldjhcakjhc 10y ago
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  - HillaryBriss 10y ago
    don't forget doctors, especially cardiologists and oncologists
tw04 10y ago
You're insinuating that everyone coming over on H1s is the next Einstein. My experience is the VAST MAJORITY are below average tech workers who provide less value than an above average college grad. And sometimes less due to language barriers.
- bduerst 10y ago
  So because every immigrant isn't Einstein, we should have no immigrants? Their point was that much of the talent that helped build the U.S. were skilled immigrants. Likewise, nearly 1/5 of all Fortune 500 companies in the U.S. are founded by immigrants: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2011/06/19/40-percent-of-fortune-500-companies-founded-by-immigrants-or-their-children/#331a8a657a22 http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2011/06/19/40-per... Also, your anecdotal evidence is contrary to my experience with H1B co-workers.
mbostleman 10y ago
My ideas are the opposite of protectionist - they are about becoming more competitive in the open market.
- bduerst 10y ago
  If you restrict the pool of talent that you draw upon, you're limiting your supply of skilled labor and thus become less competitive.

briandear 10y ago

I don't think the majority of H1 visa holders could be considered "top talent." Perhaps "cheaper talent." We eliminate the Tata-style H1B abuses and actually make H1B for TOP talent and not cheap talent, then those future Einsteins can come to the US. Your average "top talent" isn't going to work for Tata or Infosys. They're going to apply directly or they're going to be recruited. Ted Cruz proposed at $100K minimum salary for H1's. Not a bad way to solve this problem. $100K is nothing for actual top talent, but it certainly means that the incentive to outsource low level IT to H1 companies is much much less. The problem isn't the lack of talent, it's the lack of companies willing to pay for the talent. You can hire anybody you want if you're willing to pay enough. Start offering $250K for a starting salary for an engineer -- you'll have hundreds of resumes within the hour and probably one or two would be top talent. That same job at $80k -- dozens of resumes and probably not a single one that could be considered top talent.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> We eliminate the Tata-style H1B abuses and actually make H1B for TOP talent and not cheap talent Top talent is what the O-1A and O-1B are for. We don't need the H-1B for that.
asldjhcakjhc 10y ago
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- HillaryBriss 10y ago
  don't forget doctors, especially cardiologists and oncologists

tw04 10y ago

You're insinuating that everyone coming over on H1s is the next Einstein. My experience is the VAST MAJORITY are below average tech workers who provide less value than an above average college grad. And sometimes less due to language barriers.

bduerst 10y ago
So because every immigrant isn't Einstein, we should have no immigrants? Their point was that much of the talent that helped build the U.S. were skilled immigrants. Likewise, nearly 1/5 of all Fortune 500 companies in the U.S. are founded by immigrants: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2011/06/19/40-percent-of-fortune-500-companies-founded-by-immigrants-or-their-children/#331a8a657a22 http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2011/06/19/40-per... Also, your anecdotal evidence is contrary to my experience with H1B co-workers.

mbostleman 10y ago

My ideas are the opposite of protectionist - they are about becoming more competitive in the open market.

bduerst 10y ago
If you restrict the pool of talent that you draw upon, you're limiting your supply of skilled labor and thus become less competitive.