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Yandex is doing quite some interesting things, I think they don't get enough love from HN.

by oneloop 10y ago

favadi 10y ago
Never seen any non-russian yandex user myself.
- oneloop 10y ago
  I'm non-russian and I use Metrika, their analytics product.
- elmigranto 10y ago
  Apparently, they are big in Turkey…
  - oneloop 10y ago
    Tiny. 2%.
    - bobuk 10y ago
      6, if you believe in comScore data.
      - pbarnes_1 10y ago
        No one believes comScore data... :)
        bobuk 10y ago
        Well, it's 8% if you believe in "independed measurement" :)
- striking 10y ago
  Hello. Nice to meet you.
- deleted 10y ago
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- PeterisP 10y ago
  I don't see any other free providers of custom domain emails; so when a friend incorporated and wanted to have bob@bobscompany.com then I set him up with yandex - all "english market" services suddenly wanted a rather unreasonable business-class pricing for that simple thing.
  - SSLy 10y ago
    as someone else mentioned: zoho. I think it's $2.5/month for unlimited domains connected to one mailbox.
niftich 10y ago
It's not a malicious bias, but a bias nonetheless. We tend to show more love towards services we know of, use, hear about, or have a friend work at. That Yandex chiefly targets the Russian, other Cyrillic, and Turkish markets limits its exposure to people who aren't in those markets. And some of it has to do with the kitchen-sink nature of what Yandex does (a lot of tech and some media), in that it's easy to mistake them to be similar to other such companies (Yahoo, Verizon, AOL -- incidentally they're now all the same) that have a similar spread of services, and yet they're not generally complimented in their tech achievements.
- oneloop 10y ago
  Never heard that expression, kitchen-sink, what does it mean?
  - niftich 10y ago
    It technically means 'everything, whether necessary or not' [1][2], but the subtext and context I intended it in is that their range of services is forms an extremely wide spread, which could be mistaken for a lack of focus. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_sink https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_si... [2] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everything-but-the-kitchen-sink http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everyt...
    - oneloop 10y ago
      Thanks. Yeah ok but you could say the same thing about google and they're doing well. You have yandex mail, web analytics, ads etc. How is that different from what google is going? In fact, I would say that yandex is trying to google's roadmap on how to conquer the world and see if they can pull it off in russia with the advantage that they currently have there.
      - icebraining 10y ago
        It's not really different, it's just that Google became well known when it only had Search.
honkhonkpants 10y ago
Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.
- oneloop 10y ago
  You seem to think that having your data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern than in USA? That's a joke. You realise that google just made location tracking mandatory for anyone using maps or app store, right? The USA is way worse in this respect. Or let me re-phrase that: we know for a FACT that the USA is very very bad in this respect, whereas Russian just has a bad reputation.
  - untog 10y ago
    I absolutely think that data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern, yes - because while I don't doubt the governments of both countries are spying on that data, I trust the US government far more than I trust the Russian government. A useful series of tweets by @SwiftOnSecurity about why storing data in the US isn't a bad idea: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/775491205983371264?lang=en-gb https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/77549120598337126...
    - oneloop 10y ago
      You trust the us gov? The same that has denied manning his/her rights, driven her to suicide and now hunger strike? The same that got sweden prosecutors to re-instate assange's rape accusations after they had been independently dismissed by the initial prosecutor, so they can extradite him to the us? Ok buddy, keep trusting the us gov. I think you've been so thoroughly brain-washed by russian-hating american media that you can't even think straight any more. I realise that this isn't really an argument, but I already presented my argument (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions) and it didn't seem to make a difference, so i don't really care to continue this conversation.

Yandex is doing quite some interesting things, I think they don't get enough love from HN.

by oneloop 10y ago

Yandex is doing quite some interesting things, I think they don't get enough love from HN.

favadi 10y ago

Never seen any non-russian yandex user myself.

oneloop 10y ago
I'm non-russian and I use Metrika, their analytics product.
elmigranto 10y ago
Apparently, they are big in Turkey…
- oneloop 10y ago
  Tiny. 2%.
  - bobuk 10y ago
    6, if you believe in comScore data.
    - pbarnes_1 10y ago
      No one believes comScore data... :)
      - bobuk 10y ago
        Well, it's 8% if you believe in "independed measurement" :)
striking 10y ago
Hello. Nice to meet you.
deleted 10y ago
[deleted]
PeterisP 10y ago
I don't see any other free providers of custom domain emails; so when a friend incorporated and wanted to have bob@bobscompany.com then I set him up with yandex - all "english market" services suddenly wanted a rather unreasonable business-class pricing for that simple thing.
- SSLy 10y ago
  as someone else mentioned: zoho. I think it's $2.5/month for unlimited domains connected to one mailbox.

niftich 10y ago

It's not a malicious bias, but a bias nonetheless. We tend to show more love towards services we know of, use, hear about, or have a friend work at. That Yandex chiefly targets the Russian, other Cyrillic, and Turkish markets limits its exposure to people who aren't in those markets. And some of it has to do with the kitchen-sink nature of what Yandex does (a lot of tech and some media), in that it's easy to mistake them to be similar to other such companies (Yahoo, Verizon, AOL -- incidentally they're now all the same) that have a similar spread of services, and yet they're not generally complimented in their tech achievements.

oneloop 10y ago
Never heard that expression, kitchen-sink, what does it mean?
- niftich 10y ago
  It technically means 'everything, whether necessary or not' [1][2], but the subtext and context I intended it in is that their range of services is forms an extremely wide spread, which could be mistaken for a lack of focus. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_sink https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_si... [2] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everything-but-the-kitchen-sink http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/everyt...
  - oneloop 10y ago
    Thanks. Yeah ok but you could say the same thing about google and they're doing well. You have yandex mail, web analytics, ads etc. How is that different from what google is going? In fact, I would say that yandex is trying to google's roadmap on how to conquer the world and see if they can pull it off in russia with the advantage that they currently have there.
    - icebraining 10y ago
      It's not really different, it's just that Google became well known when it only had Search.

honkhonkpants 10y ago

Yandex doesn't seem like it would appeal to the kinds of people who comment here. If you think that having your data hosted in the USA is a privacy concern, imagine having it hosted in Moscow.

oneloop 10y ago
You seem to think that having your data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern than in USA? That's a joke. You realise that google just made location tracking mandatory for anyone using maps or app store, right? The USA is way worse in this respect. Or let me re-phrase that: we know for a FACT that the USA is very very bad in this respect, whereas Russian just has a bad reputation.
- untog 10y ago
  I absolutely think that data hosted in Moscow is a worse privacy concern, yes - because while I don't doubt the governments of both countries are spying on that data, I trust the US government far more than I trust the Russian government. A useful series of tweets by @SwiftOnSecurity about why storing data in the US isn't a bad idea: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/775491205983371264?lang=en-gb https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/77549120598337126...
  - oneloop 10y ago
    You trust the us gov? The same that has denied manning his/her rights, driven her to suicide and now hunger strike? The same that got sweden prosecutors to re-instate assange's rape accusations after they had been independently dismissed by the initial prosecutor, so they can extradite him to the us? Ok buddy, keep trusting the us gov. I think you've been so thoroughly brain-washed by russian-hating american media that you can't even think straight any more. I realise that this isn't really an argument, but I already presented my argument (that with the usa gov you have facts, whereas the russian gov you have suspicions) and it didn't seem to make a difference, so i don't really care to continue this conversation.