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Try WebStorm. I'm surprised at how few people use it, given the quality of the autocomplete and code assistance (and the fact that it works just as well with ES

Try WebStorm. I'm surprised at how few people use it, given the quality of the autocomplete and code assistance (and the fact that it works just as well with ES6 as it does with TypeScript!)

jackmott 10y ago
I think people find it a little overwhelming, if they aren't familiar with other IntelliJ editors already. I did. Of course Visual Studio is just as overwhelming, but more people are forced to be used to that.
mixedCase 10y ago
VSCode is open source software. WebStorm isn't. I love JetBrains IDEs but I sure as hell prefer using tools that I can fix or modify myself.
- labrador 10y ago
  I had one of those aha moments last week. I started to write to complain to Microsoft that VSCode didn't remember my previous searches when I remembered that I could just hack it in myself, which I did. Most programmers like me like that kind of control.
  - DougN7 10y ago
    Honest question as I'm not really part of the open source world: 1. What happens to your change when an update comes out? (Or, do you keep up with updates) 2. Having just merged my first ever pull request, how does a project stay coherent with possibly hundreds or thousands of people submitting their 'hacks'?
    - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
      Pull requests and forks, you can fork a project and keep it up to date with the master. People's hacks are not included in the source code, they're free to fork the project and implement their own hacks and submit a pull request to get their solution included as part of the master if it is approved
    - labrador 10y ago
      My fix is just a quick hack and not polished enough to submit, so I'll just reapply it. I'm guessing that the vscode programmers will add a search history and I won't have to keep doing this.
      - Already__Taken 10y ago
        Pull Request https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/pulls https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/pulls At the very least it could be considered a vote for the feature.
- ben_jones 10y ago
  Jet-brains products have a gigantic plugin ecosystem that allows you to add whatever functionality you want..
  - spion 10y ago
    Well, not everything. Language support cannot be implemented by relying on an external service (like the typescript service), it has to be implemented in a very specific way. They are extensible, sure, but not very flexible.
    - Noseshine 10y ago
      The TypeScript service is not from Jetbrains, but coding assistance like type inference and auto-completion options have thus far always been this IDEs own implementation [0]: > This assistance can be provided either by IntelliJ IDEA itself, or based on the data from > the built-in TypeScript compiler, or through integration with the TypeScript Language Service. They bundle whatever latest TS is available when the product is created or let you point to your own installation. "Use TypScript Service" is marked "experimental", so letting the IDE use the external service for things it traditionally figured out on its own to provide coding assistance is being worked on. [0] https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/2016.2/typescript-support.html#d827982e95 https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/2016.2/typescript-suppor...
      - spion 10y ago
        Oh, looks like I haven't re-checked recently enough - this was almost a year ago. I should give it another try...
ggregoire 10y ago
> I'm surprised at how few people use it I'm not: > US $ 129.00 /1st year I don't say it's not worth it, but we have pretty good editors for free (sublime, vscode, atom, etc).
- innocenat 10y ago
  That's organization license. Individual license is just $59
pjmlp 10y ago
On this day and age many don't want to pay for tools. Sometimes I wonder if Emacs and Vi would be so appreciated if they were commercial as well, without any FOSS version available.
- kozikow 10y ago
  > On this day and age many don't want to pay for tools. Main part of pycharm is free and open source: https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2013/10/pycharm-3-0-community-edition-source-code-now-available/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2013/10/pycharm-3-0-commu... . > Sometimes I wonder if Emacs and Vi would be so appreciated if they were commercial as well, without any FOSS version available. One reason for multitude of emacs extensions is the open source nature. Average IntelliJ user is less likely to write extension than emacs user.
  - newjersey 10y ago
    I think a comparing intellij platform to eclipse makes more sense. Why is eclipse so unintuitive? For example, why must I click ok after pushing a change to a remote git server? Shouldn't it be a toast?
    - gbersac 10y ago
      The same question is even more relevant to emacs and vim. Why are they so unintuitive ?
      - kminehart 10y ago
        Intuitiveness is honestly a relative problem. I've been using vi for a long time. What's intuitive to me? Moving my cursor with hjkl is intuitive to me. Using `C-w h` to move my cursor to NERDTree, then searching for my file with `/filename` and opening it with enter makes taking my hand off the keyboard to move my mouse to double-click on a file seem absolutely barbaric.
- markcerqueira 10y ago
memonkey 10y ago
Would creating large applications in WebStorm break things if I wanted to use VSCode in the future or alongside?
- oblio 10y ago
  Webstorm creates a hidden folder for it settings, in the project folder, and that's about it.
- squeaky-clean 10y ago
  You'd be fine. Webstorm will create a .idea directory in your project, which will contain all the Webstorm specific project settings and configuration. But anything else is stored in regular ol' files you could edit with anything. I use Webstorm and my other teammates use VS Code or Sublime. The only thing that might "break" is if you rely on Webstorm's tools for things like test runners, compiling, minifying and bundling code, etc, instead of learning how to do it on your own. You'd then need to learn how to set it up yourself with the command line tools instead of a nice GUI.
- nixos 10y ago
  That's one of my big gripes with IntelliJ - _please_ use standard compiling/building tools. At least use bash/batch files. I want to be able to build my projects if I ever decide that I don't need it anymore
  - Karnickel 10y ago
    I don't understand this comment. How are the build tools Jetbrain's fault? Confused...
    - nixos 10y ago
      I create a project. There are two things they could do: 1. Make an ant/maven/gradle repo, and have the build command run gradle build or something. 2. Create a commandline (open source) tool called "intellibuild" or something, which reads the project files and does whatever the "build" button does. Unfortunately, they don't do either, so if I don't have a license (or I want to give my code to others who don't use IntelliJ), my J2EE is not buildable.
softawre 10y ago
Does WebStorm still maintain their own version of TypeScript language tools? Back in the 1.0 days they did, and it was a mess. Stuff that would work in Visual Studio and with tsc at the command line wouldn't work in WebStorm. That said, love Jetbrains. Have a Ultimate license for Java.
- cwmoo740 10y ago
  The default option is to use the bundled typescript compiler, but you can now also point it to a folder that contains a typescript compiler and it will call out to that. It works very well for me so far.
sgt 10y ago
I haven't used WebStorm, but if it's as good as PyCharm (also a JetBrains product), then it'll definitely be worth getting.
- alangpierce 10y ago
  WebStorm and PyCharm are both (more or less) repackaged versions of IntelliJ with specific plugins. WebStorm is cheaper and just includes the JavaScript support (and other related languages/tools) and PyCharm includes both JavaScript and Python support. So everything in WebStorm is also in PyCharm.
  - sgt 10y ago
    That's how I found out about PyCharm, as I'd already been using IntelliJ for a few years (I primarily do Java development).
ChicagoDave 10y ago
Paying for good tools supports developers who make good tools. I've tried VS Code, but prefer WebStorm.
- duiker101 10y ago
  I pay for a IntelliJ Ultimate license. I am so happy about it. It supports all I want. PHP? Java? Python? Ruby? all you want baby. Consistent UI across all your environment. Solid. Pretty fast. Good Vim plugin. I have absolutely 0 complains. An essential asset.
kinkdr 10y ago
Surprised?? With $120+ per year subscription I am surprised people use it.
- endijs 10y ago
  120 is for businesses. For individual developers its way cheaper: € 59.00 /1st year, € 47.00 /2nd year, € 35.00 /3rd yr onwards. And you can cancel your subscription if you are OK with 1 year old version that you will fallback to.
  - kinkdr 10y ago
    My complaint was not so much about the amount, but rather for the yearly subscription. I really don't like this trend of software as subscription. If it was $120 for buying a license I would probably consider it. But $120 for 1 year use is rather high in my book.
    - efdee 10y ago
      In fact, you are paying $120 for a license and then getting a year's worth of free upgrades. After your subscription ends, you're still allowed to use that version.
      - kinkdr 10y ago
        Oh is it? Apologies then, I got it wrong.
hasenj 10y ago
WebStorm is very heavy, and its TypeScript support has some issues that were deal breakers for me (last time I tried).
- Noseshine 10y ago
  When was the last time you tried? They are very quick at reacting to (good) bug reports. I've filed almost a hundred by now and I decided to pay them because of my experience in their reaction to bug reports. With each new EAP (early access) and release TypeScript always has a lot of fixes, so it's obvious to me TS has a high priority to them. Also see here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12292148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12292148
yAnonymous 10y ago
I can't get over the Eclipse-ish yet unconfigurable UI.
timeu 10y ago
I use both, well not so much Webstorm, but IntelliJ for Java/GWT application stack and Visual Studio Code for almost everything else (Python, JS, etc). Works pretty well, although I think I could increase productivity if I align the keybinding for both of them (i.e. quick open, find, etc)
- ergo14 10y ago
  You know you can use IntelliJ with python (you get pycharm like experience)
rck404 10y ago
When I'm on OSX I'm exclusively on Webstorm. When I switch for my personal work to Windows I mostly use VS Code. Webstorm just doesn't render the font, the IDE frame correctly. I find it either too small or big. Webstorm also doesn't use "ctr+w" to close tabs on Windows & linux while does that on OSX.
big_paps 10y ago
This is simply not true. Beside Webstorm is a very good IDE, its much more precise with Typescript.

Try WebStorm. I'm surprised at how few people use it, given the quality of the autocomplete and code assistance (and the fact that it works just as well with ES6 as it does with TypeScript!)

jackmott 10y ago

I think people find it a little overwhelming, if they aren't familiar with other IntelliJ editors already. I did. Of course Visual Studio is just as overwhelming, but more people are forced to be used to that.

mixedCase 10y ago

VSCode is open source software. WebStorm isn't. I love JetBrains IDEs but I sure as hell prefer using tools that I can fix or modify myself.

labrador 10y ago
I had one of those aha moments last week. I started to write to complain to Microsoft that VSCode didn't remember my previous searches when I remembered that I could just hack it in myself, which I did. Most programmers like me like that kind of control.
- DougN7 10y ago
  Honest question as I'm not really part of the open source world: 1. What happens to your change when an update comes out? (Or, do you keep up with updates) 2. Having just merged my first ever pull request, how does a project stay coherent with possibly hundreds or thousands of people submitting their 'hacks'?
  - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
    Pull requests and forks, you can fork a project and keep it up to date with the master. People's hacks are not included in the source code, they're free to fork the project and implement their own hacks and submit a pull request to get their solution included as part of the master if it is approved
  - labrador 10y ago
    My fix is just a quick hack and not polished enough to submit, so I'll just reapply it. I'm guessing that the vscode programmers will add a search history and I won't have to keep doing this.
    - Already__Taken 10y ago
      Pull Request https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/pulls https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/pulls At the very least it could be considered a vote for the feature.
ben_jones 10y ago
Jet-brains products have a gigantic plugin ecosystem that allows you to add whatever functionality you want..
- spion 10y ago
  Well, not everything. Language support cannot be implemented by relying on an external service (like the typescript service), it has to be implemented in a very specific way. They are extensible, sure, but not very flexible.
  - Noseshine 10y ago
    The TypeScript service is not from Jetbrains, but coding assistance like type inference and auto-completion options have thus far always been this IDEs own implementation [0]: > This assistance can be provided either by IntelliJ IDEA itself, or based on the data from > the built-in TypeScript compiler, or through integration with the TypeScript Language Service. They bundle whatever latest TS is available when the product is created or let you point to your own installation. "Use TypScript Service" is marked "experimental", so letting the IDE use the external service for things it traditionally figured out on its own to provide coding assistance is being worked on. [0] https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/2016.2/typescript-support.html#d827982e95 https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/2016.2/typescript-suppor...
    - spion 10y ago
      Oh, looks like I haven't re-checked recently enough - this was almost a year ago. I should give it another try...

ggregoire 10y ago

> I'm surprised at how few people use it I'm not: > US $ 129.00 /1st year I don't say it's not worth it, but we have pretty good editors for free (sublime, vscode, atom, etc).

innocenat 10y ago
That's organization license. Individual license is just $59

pjmlp 10y ago

On this day and age many don't want to pay for tools. Sometimes I wonder if Emacs and Vi would be so appreciated if they were commercial as well, without any FOSS version available.

kozikow 10y ago
> On this day and age many don't want to pay for tools. Main part of pycharm is free and open source: https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2013/10/pycharm-3-0-community-edition-source-code-now-available/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2013/10/pycharm-3-0-commu... . > Sometimes I wonder if Emacs and Vi would be so appreciated if they were commercial as well, without any FOSS version available. One reason for multitude of emacs extensions is the open source nature. Average IntelliJ user is less likely to write extension than emacs user.
- newjersey 10y ago
  I think a comparing intellij platform to eclipse makes more sense. Why is eclipse so unintuitive? For example, why must I click ok after pushing a change to a remote git server? Shouldn't it be a toast?
  - gbersac 10y ago
    The same question is even more relevant to emacs and vim. Why are they so unintuitive ?
    - kminehart 10y ago
      Intuitiveness is honestly a relative problem. I've been using vi for a long time. What's intuitive to me? Moving my cursor with hjkl is intuitive to me. Using `C-w h` to move my cursor to NERDTree, then searching for my file with `/filename` and opening it with enter makes taking my hand off the keyboard to move my mouse to double-click on a file seem absolutely barbaric.
markcerqueira 10y ago

memonkey 10y ago

Would creating large applications in WebStorm break things if I wanted to use VSCode in the future or alongside?

oblio 10y ago
Webstorm creates a hidden folder for it settings, in the project folder, and that's about it.
squeaky-clean 10y ago
You'd be fine. Webstorm will create a .idea directory in your project, which will contain all the Webstorm specific project settings and configuration. But anything else is stored in regular ol' files you could edit with anything. I use Webstorm and my other teammates use VS Code or Sublime. The only thing that might "break" is if you rely on Webstorm's tools for things like test runners, compiling, minifying and bundling code, etc, instead of learning how to do it on your own. You'd then need to learn how to set it up yourself with the command line tools instead of a nice GUI.
nixos 10y ago
That's one of my big gripes with IntelliJ - _please_ use standard compiling/building tools. At least use bash/batch files. I want to be able to build my projects if I ever decide that I don't need it anymore
- Karnickel 10y ago
  I don't understand this comment. How are the build tools Jetbrain's fault? Confused...
  - nixos 10y ago
    I create a project. There are two things they could do: 1. Make an ant/maven/gradle repo, and have the build command run gradle build or something. 2. Create a commandline (open source) tool called "intellibuild" or something, which reads the project files and does whatever the "build" button does. Unfortunately, they don't do either, so if I don't have a license (or I want to give my code to others who don't use IntelliJ), my J2EE is not buildable.

softawre 10y ago

Does WebStorm still maintain their own version of TypeScript language tools? Back in the 1.0 days they did, and it was a mess. Stuff that would work in Visual Studio and with tsc at the command line wouldn't work in WebStorm. That said, love Jetbrains. Have a Ultimate license for Java.

cwmoo740 10y ago
The default option is to use the bundled typescript compiler, but you can now also point it to a folder that contains a typescript compiler and it will call out to that. It works very well for me so far.

sgt 10y ago

I haven't used WebStorm, but if it's as good as PyCharm (also a JetBrains product), then it'll definitely be worth getting.

alangpierce 10y ago
WebStorm and PyCharm are both (more or less) repackaged versions of IntelliJ with specific plugins. WebStorm is cheaper and just includes the JavaScript support (and other related languages/tools) and PyCharm includes both JavaScript and Python support. So everything in WebStorm is also in PyCharm.
- sgt 10y ago
  That's how I found out about PyCharm, as I'd already been using IntelliJ for a few years (I primarily do Java development).

ChicagoDave 10y ago

Paying for good tools supports developers who make good tools. I've tried VS Code, but prefer WebStorm.

duiker101 10y ago
I pay for a IntelliJ Ultimate license. I am so happy about it. It supports all I want. PHP? Java? Python? Ruby? all you want baby. Consistent UI across all your environment. Solid. Pretty fast. Good Vim plugin. I have absolutely 0 complains. An essential asset.

kinkdr 10y ago

Surprised?? With $120+ per year subscription I am surprised people use it.

endijs 10y ago
120 is for businesses. For individual developers its way cheaper: € 59.00 /1st year, € 47.00 /2nd year, € 35.00 /3rd yr onwards. And you can cancel your subscription if you are OK with 1 year old version that you will fallback to.
- kinkdr 10y ago
  My complaint was not so much about the amount, but rather for the yearly subscription. I really don't like this trend of software as subscription. If it was $120 for buying a license I would probably consider it. But $120 for 1 year use is rather high in my book.
  - efdee 10y ago
    In fact, you are paying $120 for a license and then getting a year's worth of free upgrades. After your subscription ends, you're still allowed to use that version.
    - kinkdr 10y ago
      Oh is it? Apologies then, I got it wrong.

hasenj 10y ago

WebStorm is very heavy, and its TypeScript support has some issues that were deal breakers for me (last time I tried).

Noseshine 10y ago
When was the last time you tried? They are very quick at reacting to (good) bug reports. I've filed almost a hundred by now and I decided to pay them because of my experience in their reaction to bug reports. With each new EAP (early access) and release TypeScript always has a lot of fixes, so it's obvious to me TS has a high priority to them. Also see here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12292148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12292148

yAnonymous 10y ago

I can't get over the Eclipse-ish yet unconfigurable UI.

timeu 10y ago

I use both, well not so much Webstorm, but IntelliJ for Java/GWT application stack and Visual Studio Code for almost everything else (Python, JS, etc). Works pretty well, although I think I could increase productivity if I align the keybinding for both of them (i.e. quick open, find, etc)

ergo14 10y ago
You know you can use IntelliJ with python (you get pycharm like experience)

rck404 10y ago

When I'm on OSX I'm exclusively on Webstorm. When I switch for my personal work to Windows I mostly use VS Code. Webstorm just doesn't render the font, the IDE frame correctly. I find it either too small or big. Webstorm also doesn't use "ctr+w" to close tabs on Windows & linux while does that on OSX.

big_paps 10y ago

This is simply not true. Beside Webstorm is a very good IDE, its much more precise with Typescript.