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Google to acquire Apigee
- ctdean 10y ago$625 million in cash
- cobookman 10y agoCurious if they used cash from their domestic or international reserves.
- scapecast 10y agoWill have to be US cash because Apigee is based in the US. They can use their Euro cash in Europe for acquisitions and not pay the US taxes. Think Microsoft / Skype. Skype was based in Luxembourg.
- cloudjacker 10y agoThey could sell bonds to Draghi and get paid to acquire it tax free.
- bduerst 10y agoIf they use international reserves then they have to pay taxes on bringing the cash to the U.S.
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- pluma 10y agoI misread that as "to acquire Apple". Then I misread that again as "to acquire Apogee" (as in, the name 3D Realms went by from 1987 to 1996). Now I'm wondering behind the reasoning of the Apigee brand. Was it an intentional play on Apogee Software of the 80s/90s? If so, why? Something about "playing with APIs" I presume, but that seems confusing.
- randallsquared 10y agoThe word "apogee" literally means the highest point in the course of something. Apogee Software and Apigee both play off the english word meaning.
- k-mcgrady 10y agoThere is also Apogee Electronics the audio hardware company.
- nl 10y agoWell considering Apigee is a public company with hundreds (thousands?) of large enterprise and has been around since the early 2000s... no? It's a pretty decent name for an API gateway.
- ajainy 10y ago3Scale got acquired by IBM, and now APIGEE by google. Time to buy Layer7 shares? API Gateways are big deal in API first initiatives.
- mxuribe 10y agoMy day job used 3scale. Actually it won out against apigee, mashery, and a few other big players. My day job liked a few others because they were associated to "big enterprise names" - especially since my day job is a big enterprise. I think 3scale were still kind of pricey, but way cheaper than the other big players...However, I give big kudos for 3scale support, especially during on-ramping.
- wing328hk 10y ago3Scale was acquired by Redhat (not IBM): https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-acquire-api-management-leader-3scale https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-acqui...
- ajainy 10y agoThanks for correcting.
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- edwinnathaniel 10y agoLayer7 was acquired by CA Tech a few years ago
- niftich 10y agoMashery was acquired by Intel [1] in April 2013, Layer7 was acquired by CA Technologies [2] the same month. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2013/04/17/source-mashery-is-selling-to-intel-for-more-than-180m/ https://techcrunch.com/2013/04/17/source-mashery-is-selling-... [2] https://techcrunch.com/2013/04/22/ca-acquires-layer-7-technologies-to-connect-cloud-mobile-and-internet-of-things-as-api-market-starts-to-consolidate/ https://techcrunch.com/2013/04/22/ca-acquires-layer-7-techno...
- aikah 10y agoNever understood Apigee's core product. I like their whitebooks though. quite informative. So congratulations.
- kyork 10y agoWe use Apigee's Edge product. It provides API management tools like authentication, authorization, rate limiting, etc before the request hits your actual API. Its a pretty good product, if that isn't your core competency.
- niftich 10y agoIt's not a lot of people's core competency, which is exactly what makes API gateways so useful. This way anyone can write some half-baked endpoint that returns some JSON, and you put Apigee or any of its competitors in front of it, taking care of the hard stuff like authorization, rate limiting, etc, without which you can have a really rough time.
- homakov 10y agoBut apigee becomes a man in the middle, which is very bad for your security.
- fixermark 10y agoI imagine it's a tradeoff. It's worse for your security if you try to roll your own auth/auth solution and botch it.
- homakov 10y agoAuth is a routine job, only a really silly developer manages to make simple token auth vulnerable. There's no a "tradeoff" in leaving auth to MitM because it's "hard", oh also there's bunch of libraries out there doing it for you on your servers.
- gizmodo59 10y ago2018: Support is discontinued. Please use our forums where intelligent bots will reply you. 2020: We are now discontinuing Apigee.
- thr0waway1239 10y ago2019: We used deep learning to automatically figure out what you wanted to call via the API. We also tried to update your code to use it, but your build is currently broken and your engineer is on a holiday and we estimate it will take 3 days to fix the build based on the average time between query and resolution time for your engineers based on their search history in our logs. We will do an auto-update when your systems are back up.
- josh_carterPDX 10y agoI thought the same thing. We saw this play out before with Parse. Not saying they play in the same space, but I think Google could just roll the Apigee features into Firebase and shutter the platform.
- kelvin0 10y agoThe good ol' MS motto *(back in the days..): Embrace, Extend and Extinguish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
- breakingcups 10y agoThat's not the same at all. EEE was about adopting existing standards used by other products and then extending them with features other products didn't support.
- internal_tools 10y agoI think this is an excellent acquisition by Google, specifically for their cloud platform. It provides an excellent solution to the problem of managing apis and a tight integration with cloud platform will really make it stand out.
- PaulHoule 10y agoI dunno, AWS has a pretty good story in that department; this is Google playing catch-up.
- fullshark 10y agoThen it makes sense as an acquisition right?
- binaryanomaly 10y agoI think you work for apigee
- cptskippy 10y agoOr he still has his stock options.
- internal_tools 10y agoI wish. Can I get stock options for being optimistic?
- binaryanomaly 10y agoNah, only a useless job in mgmt or so. Maybe dogbert can help.
- chatmasta 10y agoAw man I bought a bunch of these shares last year at $7 and sold for $7.90 after a few months. I was happy about it. Wish I held onto them, it's trading at $17 now!
- komali2 10y agoIt's a bummer but you couldn't have known. Just keep making smart investments.
- niftich 10y agoSo does this mean Apigee will be the captive API gateway for Google's extensive portfolio of APIs, or will the Apigee gateway still be offered as a product to put in front of a customer's custom API?
- CrunchQL 10y agoIt makes no mention of using it on Google's APIs at all. Within the blog it elaborates on what they're doing by saying: > Google cloud customers are already benefitting from no sys-ops dev environments, including Google App Engine and Google Container Engine. Now, with Apigee’s API management platform, they'll be able to front these secure and scalable services with a simple way to provide the exported APIs. >As always, we'll make sure that these capabilities are available in the public clouds and can also be used on-premises. If you click on the link and read the article it will give information behind the headline, possibly answering questions the headline brings up.
- niftich 10y agoI appreciate the summary but I was speculating about things that weren't said (in the article). Specifically, as you point out, the article makes no statement on whether they will dogfood Apigee for internal use, but recently they acquired Firebase where dogfooding it was a part of the play. Meanwhile, there's these lines: > Google cloud customers are already benefitting from no sys-ops dev environments, including Google App Engine and Google Container Engine. Now, with Apigee’s API management platform, they'll be able to front these secure and scalable services with a simple way to provide the exported APIs. >As always, we'll make sure that these capabilities are available in the public clouds and can also be used on-premises. It unnecessarily combines two different things in the same sentence; "you can continue to rely on your stuff running in Google App Engine and Google Container Engine"; and "you can front your stuff with Apigee Edge" -- yes, I can already do both of these things today. So what's the difference?
- nl 10y agoI think that it doesn't make a lot of sense for Google to use Apigee on its own APIs. They seem to do a pretty decent job of scaling, monitoring and securing them on their own. What does make a lot of sense is a tool to give people who host on the Google cloud better control over who is using APIs they (the customers) produce. For example, you can imagine Apigee expanding to enable transparent scaling of (some) self-hosted APIs onto Google's cloud via intelligent caching.
- nl 10y agoApigee is a pretty decent product if you are in the space. It's sort of kinda like a "CDN for APIs", if that make sense, which I've always thought is a great idea. (Yes, I realize my analogy has limits. Don't get too hung up on it though) I didn't realize they were a public company though.
- PaulHoule 10y agoThese various "API management" services have always struck me as value subtracting as much as value adding. Adding another moving part to a system doesn't make it more reliable. One thing that has amazed me is that most of these services offer everything but the kitchen sink AND the one thing you need for a minimum viable product, which is the ability to charge for API calls.
- olalonde 10y ago> As always, we'll make sure that these capabilities are available in the public clouds and can also be used on-premises. Does that mean there's a chance Apigee will get open sourced? (fingers crossed)
- antoncohen 10y agoWhat a bizarre acquisition. They say: > A good API needs to [...] give developers the freedom to work in the development environment of their choice [...] a good API includes testing support Those are two of the main reasons not to use Apigee.
- supergeek133 10y agoWell. At first I thought this was crazy, but then I realized Google was the only major cloud provider that didn't offer an API Gateway service... Azure and AWS both have one. So, makes sense. They got them cheap as well, only a really small premium of the stock price.
- bduerst 10y agoGoogle has endpoints, but it's pretty low level and a little hard to manage that way.
- doppenhe 10y agoThey announced this a couple of weeks ago... im confused: https://cloud.google.com/endpoints/ https://cloud.google.com/endpoints/
- j_s 10y agoApigee sent out the email today.
- theDoug 10y agoCloud Endpoints as announced is the second generation of Google's own system. Apigee is a different company and set of products.
- brazzledazzle 10y agoI wonder what the engineers on the Google team that just released that is thinking?
- msoad 10y agoGoogle didn't pay for the technology. Apigee has a good set of big enterprise customers that Google was missing on their cloud platform. As others mentioned, Google already have the tech: https://cloud.google.com/endpoints/ https://cloud.google.com/endpoints/
- sinzone 10y agoGoogle Endpoint was discussed last week on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12407061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12407061
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- illicium 10y agoCompare the feature set of Endpoints to Edge. There's more to API management than authentication and monitoring.
- mathattack 10y agoWas it really that much about customers? Apigee has less than 100 million in revenue.
- kelvin0 10y agoIs it just me, or should API management be done through GraphQL? It doesn't seem like Apigee even uses GraphQL (unless I missed something on their website). Been looking at GraphQL recently, and it looks like it could be a solution. Any experience on using GraphQL in a prod environment? EDIT: I think Apigee has a great product, not wanting to put them down.
- sorenbs 10y agoWe moved our entire api to Apigee at my previous job (500+ person fast growing startup). It certainly has value and was a great fit for us. Many aspects of the Apigee stack felt kinda weird and cumbersome though and I saw such a huge potential for improvement if you started with GraphQL as the base assumption instead of REST. So that's what we are doing at https://graph.cool/ https://graph.cool/ :-) We are currently in closed beta, but I'd be happy to personally onboard you or chat if that would be helpful. (contact in profile)
- kelvin0 10y agoThanks for the feedback, makes sense to me. Although,I don't understand why mentioning GraphQL gets me downvoted. I'm trying to understand what advantages Apigee has using REST over GraphQL. No hating, just curious. https://facebook.github.io/react/blog/2015/05/01/graphql-introduction.html https://facebook.github.io/react/blog/2015/05/01/graphql-int... "We plan to open-source a reference implementation of a GraphQL server and publish a language specification in the coming months. Our goal is to evolve GraphQL to adapt to a wide range of backends, so that projects and companies can use this technology to access their own data. We believe that this is a compelling way to structure servers and to provide powerful abstractions, frameworks and tools – including, but not exclusively, Relay – for product developersWe plan to open-source a reference implementation of a GraphQL server and publish a language specification in the coming months. Our goal is to evolve GraphQL to adapt to a wide range of backends, so that projects and companies can use this technology to access their own data. (...)"
- yueq 10y agoBuying offer is 17.40. Right now Apigee's trading at 17.42, short selling opportunity?
- hellofunk 10y agoI first read this as "Google to acquire Apple" and I found myself wondering if today was in the month of April.
- firefoxNX11 10y agoApigee has a lot of smart engineers working on nodejs based open source projects and contributing to OpenApi spec (fka Swagger). Good to see that Chet K chose Google to acquire these talented engineers. And ofcourse the Apigee community is A++.
- doublerebel 10y agoHi firefoxNX11, it looks like you misspelled a link a year and a half ago and accidentally linked to a phishing site. You have been shadowbanned since, I saw you with showdead on. It looks like you have made constructive comments otherwise, perhaps a mod can help out!
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