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In addition to the Galaxy being water resistant with a standard audio jack, the watch has a speaker that expels water automatically from the air cavity. That's
by mirkules 10y ago
In addition to the Galaxy being water resistant with a standard audio jack, the watch has a speaker that expels water automatically from the air cavity. That's a brilliant piece of engineering, so one can't help but wonder if the headphone jack preventing water resistance is truly an engineering problem or simply a (ridiculous) business decision.
Personally, I'm going to hold on to the 6s for as long as it's usable and then consider my options.
The funny thing is, they made a huge deal about catering to runners in the watch presentation. In the offseason I run about 20 to 30 miles per week, and I can tell you bluetooth headphones suck for running. They fall out easily as soon as I start sweating. Also, during training season the headphones will run out of juice if I don't remember to plug them in. They also drain the phone's battery - on a 30 minute run that's no problem, but on a 2-hour run that sucks. The best earphones are over the head, light-weight ones I can tuck under my cap whcih keeps them in place.
Oh well, maybe on the 8 they have a change of heart. And if they don't... there's always OpenMoko
- nardi 10y agoSamsung Galaxy S7 Active Fails Consumer Reports Water-Resistance Test http://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s7-active-fails-consumer-reports-water-resistance-test/ http://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s7...
- moron4hire 10y agoIt did pass my, "oh shit, the phone slipped out of my hand and into the dish sink" test, though.
- iambateman 10y agoIt's ok to admit that you actually mean toilet. ;)
- moron4hire 10y agoIt really was the dish sink. I wash the baby's bottles by hand.
- wott 10y agoWith a phone in the other hand...
- moron4hire 10y agocuz the wife calls to check up on the baby
- sundvor 10y agoMore like, reading HN to alleviate the boredom?
- awinder 10y agoThat detail totally validated the story for me (new parent lol)
- moomin 10y ago100%. I've a new little one as well, and dropped my phone within a month of birth. Only I was actually reading it at the time, and yes, it went in the toilet. :)
- themartorana 10y agoCan confirm this is a thing.
- xiaopanga 10y agoWeirdly the normal S7 and edge version passed the test
- gcb0 10y agothe active line from Samsung is like the Sport line on every Japanese car maker: shitty.
- j45 10y agoBluetooth headphones can be found that don't fall out. Having to find them is a chore but doable including something that lasts long enough.
- fossuser 10y agoI run about the same and have had pretty good luck with the Jlab Epic2 bluetooth headphones. http://www.jlabaudio.com/products/epic2-bluetooth-wireless-sport-earbuds?variant=23929662023 http://www.jlabaudio.com/products/epic2-bluetooth-wireless-s... Not sure if you've seen or tried these.
- mirkules 10y agoThanks for the recommendation. However, pretty much anything over the ear is prone to slipping out for me. Probably has to do with the way my ears are anatomically constructed combined with excessive sweating. Gross, I know, but that's how it is. Besides, no BT headset would relieve the battery problems. For me something like this works really well: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QHOCTG6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_goh0xbJ1JP0N8 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QHOCTG6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_goh0... Just put my hat over them and they are firmly held in place.
- sushid 10y agoLG tones are bulky in the sense that you're essentially wearing an unfashionable necklace, but it has a decent sound quality (for bluetooth), a larger battery, and are in-ear. Might want to check them out down the line.
- astrange 10y agoI haven't tried that one specifically, but neckbands on wireless earbuds have always been too heavy and caused problems in the gym. If you lean back they can fall off you and then pull out the earbuds. So, that large battery isn't all good.
- CamperBob2 10y agoLG tones are bulky in the sense that you're essentially wearing an unfashionable necklace Hmm. Interesting. If Apple wants to continue pushing into the jewelry and personal-accessory business, this suggests an obvious direction. They tend to be good at making unfashionable things fashionable.
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- aidenn0 10y agoI don't have an iPhone, I've not experienced BT drain; I've used my phone for 4-5 hours on BT headsets and maybe seen an extra 5% of battery go down, which is fine since I use less than a 50% charge per day.
- rconti 10y agoYeah, I don't find bluetooth drain to be an issue at all.
- GordonS 10y agoSame here, but every BT headset I've owned only lasts 4-6 hours on a full charge
- andrewaylett 10y agoI have a Plantronics BackBeat Pro. Not the smallest headphones in the world (make me look like a Cyberman) but the battery lasts for 24h -- I've never had it run out on me. And the audio is great :).
- matwood 10y agoThe only time I've noticed BT drain was with Android phones. My Nexus 5 was horrible about random things spinning out of control and killing the phones battery. My current iPhone does not seem to have any of the same issues.
- mentando 10y agoYeah, even my Nexus 5X uses more with Bluetooth. But that may also be, because of Spotify, the syncing it does is not kind to battery life...
- mandeepj 10y agoHave you tried these headphones [1]? They never fell off during my usage so far [1] - https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-SF600-Wireless-Sports-Headphones/dp/B006B9GRM4/ref=sr_1_22?ie=UTF8&qid=1473280035&sr=8-22&keywords=motorola+wireless+headphones https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-SF600-Wireless-Sports-Headph...
- haswell 10y agoI've been using the Plantronics Backbeat Fit for this purpose, and have been pleasantly surprised at the level of comfort / sound quality / battery life and the fact that they actually stay in. http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/backbeat-fit http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/backbeat-fit (cheaper on Amazon). Just another option to add to the list.
- thecosas 10y agoFor the water resistance, from what I understand there are many ways to waterproof using lots of chemicals that likely don't live up to Apple's environmental standards; perhaps it has to do with this (along with many many other factors).
- stevetursi 10y agoAlso a runner. My choice for headphones are commodity (<$10) Philips with over-the-ear loops to hold them in place. Because I sweat a lot, they rarely last more than a few months, so cheap matters. (I have nicer Bose headphones for non-running.) Bluetooth phones that cost 5x as much? out of the question. Edit: In previous version I accidentally said Samsung Headphones.
- threeseed 10y agoBased on overwhelming sales of some high end active-wear Bluetooth headphones eg Beoplay H5 it's clear that not everyone aligns with your experiences/choices.
- therealidiot 10y agoIsn't this a bit of an empty statement? That much should be obvious. One person's experiences/choices aren't ever universal
- jkestner 10y agoCheap may be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Personally, I could never run with corded headphones again. I've used Motorola S8/S9 forever. Get last gen for $30-40, and they've held up to years of sweat.
- stevetursi 10y agoSelf-fulfilling in what way? I've probably spent a hundred bucks on fifteen pairs of Philips over the years. And they're cheap enough that I can keep a pair in my bag, a pair in my house, and a pair in my car. Most of my listening is podcasts. They sound fine for that. In contrast, I only have one pair of noise canceling Bose headphones which cost 3x as much as all the Philips put together. They sound great and are wonderful for the train to work, but they were also very expensive and I don't run with them.
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- mahyarm 10y agoI've found the backbeat headphones to be pretty great for running and everything else, and they are $70 on average. They are still open ear too.
- addicted 10y agoMillions of dollars in airpod sales. It's really as simple as that. I mean, Apple's justification is that they are being courageous in pushing the world towards their vision of the future, which is wireless. Ignoring, for the moment whether this is a valid vision, how does a courageous move towards this future involve bundling not one, but 2 wired options with the phone? I'm fairly certain I would have been unhappy with the decision to drop the headphone jack no matter what, but couching it as courage has taken me from unhappiness to screw them.
- pfranz 10y agoDo you think airpods will reach millions in sales? Yeah, Apple is high end, but it's also kind of a commodity or generic for a smartphone. The lowest end Apple products sell in way higher volumes than the higher end stuff. Especially since they're not included with any product, I think there's a good chance that the AirPods fall into the same niche as in-ear headphones (which I'm surprised Apple still sells).
- addicted 10y agoI mean, easily. At $159, they only need to sell 15000 to reach $2mm in sales. Unless you thought I meant units. I definitely think millions of units is possible, if Apple continues selling hundreds of millions of iPhones. But it's not just AirPods sales. Apple makes a few dollars with every lightning device that is sold. So essentially, even if those hundreds of millions of iPhone devices don't lead to sales of millions of Airpods, they will lead to sales of 10s of millions of Lightning headphones. Which means tens of millions of free dollars for Apple. Here's the other thing though. If Apple does not expect to sell millions of Airpods, then the whole "Courage, because the future is wireless" justification falls apart, because if not even 1% of the headphones being sold are Airpods, it's likely the future is not wireless.
- randomafrican 10y ago$2mm is something like one hour of revenue for Apple I don't think they make design decisions on that basis
- tacon 10y agoI run and bicycle on alternate days in gross humidity, and I have been using the "resting on the back of the neck" design of the Philips/Nike Flite Sport headphone for ten years: https://www.amazon.com/Nike-HJ020-headphones-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B0009MFKDQ https://www.amazon.com/Nike-HJ020-headphones-Discontinued-Ma... For bicycling, I am mainly on bike paths but when I have to enter traffic for a bit, I would never, ever ride with any kind of ear bud or closed headphones. The Flite design has gentle pressure pushing the phones against my ears, for a very open design that keeps me aware of what is happening around me. They are very stable, resting on the back of my neck, even while running. I don't remember them every falling off from exercise. The original Flite headphones were somewhat overpriced, and lasted about a year before they failed. The Chinese clones moved in and the price collapsed. I bought a batch of ten knockoffs for $17 a few years ago, and they still last a year or so. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=sport+headphones+behind+neck&_sacat=0 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=sport+headphones+behind+...
- sharkbaitouhaha 10y agoHighly recommend http://aftershokz.com/ http://aftershokz.com/ for wireless running headphones
- halostatue 10y agoOr riding. I love my Trekz Titanium and would replace them in a heartbeat if something happened to them. My brother bought the Bluez and is ecstatic about them for running in NYC.
- rthomas6 10y agoWhy are you avoiding Android in favor of OpenMoko?